Mitchell Report

Rockies · Post by **Rockies** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:59 am

The Mitchell Report hasn't come out yet, and it's amazing that up until about 20 minutes ago there haven't been any major leaks. But now as big a name that could be on the list has been leaked to the press...Roger Clemens. There are sure to be more prominent players, former Cy Young/MVP winners, world series champions, that may affect the answer to this question. But as people are so quick to boot Barry Bonds out of the hall of fame, do you think the rocket will face the same scrutiny heading into the hall?

Marlins · Post by **Marlins** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:12 am

Someone here got the list somehow... hold on let me get a hold of it.

Marlins · Post by **Marlins** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:15 am

Can't attest to the accuracy, but:
Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, jackkindregan (9:54:45 AM) : Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, J
10:17:32 Thu <lord of the flies (Y!)> Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, IJason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:23 am

where is that from

Marlins · Post by **Marlins** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:25 am

From someone who got it from someone who got it from someone. I'm not getting an answer on it, so can't vouch for if it's accurate.

Orioles · Post by **Orioles** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:33 am

Rocket maaaaaan.... I think it's gonna be a long long time before you sniff the HOF... the hall looks so small from spaaaace.....

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:40 am

That's the list I saw this morning too...

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:44 am

Doesn't appear to be any real shockers on there. Wonder if the report is going to get specific on what each player is/was supposedly taking (Andro, HGH, etc.).

Alot of those names have already come up. The Rocket man is very interesting though......will be interesting to see how it impacts his future HOF status, as others here have noted.

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:48 am

its a shame pujols' name is on that list

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:52 am

Brewers wrote:its a shame pujols' name is on that list

Agreed, although not totally unexpected.

Marlins · Post by **Marlins** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:59 am

Biggest shame (figuratively and literally) is Rich Garces. El guapo? Say it ain't so!

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:01 pm

Giants wrote:Biggest shame (figuratively and literally) is Rich Garces. El guapo? Say it ain't so!

Roids had an odd affect on El Guapo. Instead of roid rages, they gave El Guapo the munchies.

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:02 pm

Prior is sorta interesting. I was under the impression that HGH helps you rehab faster.

Pettitte?

Ramon Castro is just fat...I coule believe he ate some Roids by accident, since he eats every thing....same goes for big Mo..

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:05 pm

im not suprised, but its a shame that some of the younger upcoming players, (not that hes upcoming) but i mean this next generation of players, howard, pujols, reyes, etc...would learn their lesson from the last generation's mistakes

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:15 pm

Huh? Howard and Reyes aren't on this list, first of all...

Even today, MLB's drug testing is an embarassment compared to other sports. Look at that list above - if that holds true, that's IT for players they were able to identify. You think they were the only ones? If a player can make himself bigger, faster, stronger to make himself more money - you think he won't do it, regardless of history? You are thinking WAY too rosey if you think players today aren't all about making as much money as fast as possible, as opposed to their place in history.

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:17 pm

Giants wrote:Can't attest to the accuracy, but:
Brady Anderson, Manny Alexander, Rick Ankiel, Jeff Bagwell, Barry Bonds, Aaron Boone, Rafaeil Bettancourt, Bret Boone, Milton Bradley, David Bell, Dante Bichette, Albert Belle, Paul Byrd, Wil Cordero, Ken Caminiti, Mike Cameron, Ramon Castro, Jose and Ozzie Canseco, Roger Clemens, Paxton Crawford, Wilson Delgado, Lenny Dykstra, Johnny Damon, Carl Everett, Kyle Farnsoworth, Ryan Franklin, Troy Glaus, Rich Garces, Jason Grimsley, Troy Glaus, Juan Gonzalez, Eric Gagne, Nomar Garciaparra, Jason Giambi, Jeremy Giambi, jackkindregan (9:54:45 AM) : Jose Guillen, Jay Gibbons, Juan Gonzalez, Clay Hensley, Jerry Hairston, Felix Heredia, Jr., Darren Holmes, Wally Joyner, Darryl Kile, Matt Lawton, Raul Mondesi, Mark McGwire, Guillermo Mota, Robert Machado, Damian Moss, Abraham Nunez, Trot Nixon, J
10:17:32 Thu <lord of the flies (Y!)> Jose Offerman, Andy Pettitte, Mark Prior, Neifi Perez, Rafael Palmiero, Albert Pujols, Brian Roberts, Juan Rincon, John Rocker, Pudge Rodriguez, Sammy Sosa, Scott Schoenweiis, David Segui, Alex Sanchez, Gary Sheffield, Miguel Tejada, Julian Tavarez,Fernando Tatis, Maurice Vaughn, IJason Varitek, Ismael Valdez, Matt Williams and Kerry Wood

CNBC is reporting the same list with a bit more depth on the schedule of events at http://www.cnbc.com/id/22243678. They indicate the full Report, which they say they had not yet read, totaled 304 pages plus exhibits.

Since baseball did not have an agreement to ban steroids until September 2002 and did not have testing with penalties until 2004 nor did it ban HGH until 2005 it will be interesting to see the dates of some of the alleged use ...

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:51 pm

Z i know they werent on the list, i just was implying that class of players. And I agree with you that players are doing whatever they can to make money faster, but now they are taking a much smarter approach. Players were way to arrogant to think that they could go around buying steroids the way they did and expect nobody to eventually come out and speak.

I also find it hard to believe that they only came up with 50-80 names. They spent 30-40 million dollars on this investigation and thats all they came out with. The totals have to be in the hundreds.

Marlins · Post by **Marlins** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:16 pm

If they spent more than ten bucks on this investigation, it was a waste of money. Who gives a crap?

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:25 pm

Giants wrote:If they spent more than ten bucks on this investigation, it was a waste of money. Who gives a crap?

Agreed.

Improve the leagues testing for performance enhancing drugs going forward and just live with the fact that we've witnessed the "Steriod Era" in baseball.

At this point it is all about politics and perception.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:44 pm

I'm sure they uncovered names well into the hundreds, but the names will be released will be names they can directly link to a purchase or a take...

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:50 pm

How long before the Made for TV movie comes out...or ESPN movie....?

The Mitchell Report...starring Vign Rhames as Bonds, Brett Farve as Roger Clemens & John Rocker as himself.

DBacks · Post by **DBacks** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:41 pm

i'm looking through the copy of the report released by MLB.com and i'm not finding a lot of these names.

Nationals · Post by **Nationals** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:44 pm

Cubs wrote:i'm looking through the copy of the report released by MLB.com and i'm not finding a lot of these names.

Same here...no Barry on the list? Seriously, what the f* is that?

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:02 pm

Remember that the Feds gag-ordered their witnesses so they couldn't talk to Mitchell. That being said, Barry is going to beat this rap.

DBacks · Post by **DBacks** » Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:04 pm

No Pujols anywhere as far as I can find. Sosa is mentioned once. It says he was sent a letter and he didn't respond. That's it. Hardly incriminating. Not finding Varitek either.