Franchises moving reset

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:40 pm

I think that we are on the road to allowing teams to move, but we should nail that down so that we can proceed to settling the issue.

Assuming that we do allow it, I think that we have a good handle on who should go where.

1. Dan has reconsidered and said that he'd be willing to move to the NL. I sent him a PM asking him if he was interested in New York Mets, because Jim is willing to move to Baltimore. Jim is mainly interested in doing what is in the best interest of the league, so this is a happen/not happen kind of deal I'd say.

2. JP wants to move to Pittsburgh, Ken would like to move, and Pittsburgh and Washington are two preferred destinations. If JP moves to Pittburgh and Ken moves to Washington, the new GMs would move to Florida and Houston (we can either choose their locations or let them work it out, I guess).

The affected divisions would be:

ALE
Jim
JB
Pat B
Bren
Pat T

NLE
Dan
Brandon
Ken
Nick
Newbie A

That looks pretty good to me, and I think that we're pretty much ready to get on with this and that it's only fair to some of the guys who are moving or are being moved to facilitate to know how to approach their offseasons.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:57 pm

on board with this.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:20 pm

I have no conflicts with this. We should probably either restate our rule following this decision or come up with a new one regarding future movement.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:24 pm

I guess the first question I'd ask is, do we really see Dan as being a significantly better GM than Jim? As I've mentioned before, I think looking at this in terms of strength of team is the wrong way of going about it.
If you really want to strengthen the NLE and weaken the ALE, move Dan to the NLE and move one of the new guys to the ALE.
I don't think we should be shuffling teams every off-season though. I'd propose that barring a move involving a favorite team, we limit moving to making it possible every 4 years.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:32 pm

RedSox wrote:I guess the first question I'd ask is, do we really see Dan as being a significantly better GM than Jim? As I've mentioned before, I think looking at this in terms of strength of team is the wrong way of going about it.
If you really want to strengthen the NLE and weaken the ALE, move Dan to the NLE and move one of the new guys to the ALE.
I don't think we should be shuffling teams every off-season though. I'd propose that barring a move involving a favorite team, we limit moving to making it possible every 4 years.

I would be for moving one of the new guys to the ALE, except for the fact it would be kind of a real tough break for one of them. Jim is willing to because he doesn't intend to compete for a few years so he's willing to take his wounds until he's competition ready it looks like. If Jim rather stay in the NLE, we could move one of the new GMs to the ALE, I don't really have a huge problem with that.

I would agree with the second portion, though I don't see much harm with it either way.

I don't really think anybody is saying Dan is a better GM than Jim or vise versa. I think Jim is probably smarter with his prospects by a good bit, which would maximize his value in the AL East and make it easier to rebuild and stay with that theme. I don't really know though, but if you have somebody willing to move to the AL East then I don't see why we should throw a newbie into the fire when we have a vet GM willing to do so.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:03 pm

The two new GM's are going to take just as long, if not longer, to rebuild than Jim. I think having Jim and Dan both in the NLE makes for a better GM quality balance than swapping them.
By putting a new Gm in the ALE, they're not going to burn themselves out trying to compete right away. The same logic applied for Jim applies to them, but moreso.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:29 pm

I'm open to moving a new GM to the ALE instead.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:31 pm

I think that this should be Jim's choice first. If he wants to go to Baltimore, he goes. If he doesn't, I think that we should put Jason in the ALE. He can handle it, I think.

Dan told me that he was willing to the Mets (though he would still prefer AL), but I don't know about Washington or Houston.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:44 am

I'm just curious why Ken wants out of Florida. I'm having trouble seeing how that shuffle jives with the vote we took last year. I'm not hugely opposed to any of this, I just agree with Shawn that we need to make a statement about when someone can move. I would propose adding a criteria that a team could move if it was in a park with particularly strong effects (e.g. Coors or Minute Maid Ten-Run Field for hitters or AT&T for pitchers) if you want to build a different kind of team and a veteran GM wanted that park.

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:01 am

Having read all the above and having checked with Dan I propose the following:

1. JP to Pitt - he wants to go there and no one is opposing his move ...
2. I stay put at Shea.
3. Ken to DC - he wants it, is a veteran GM and has provided good service to the IBC. While some may question why, I don't know that anyone opposes it as he is remaining within his division. (Note: this is his second move in 2 years so I think he should have to stay put for a few years now.)
4. Dan to Florida - he wants to move out of the ALE (would still prefer an AL team but understands there aren't any) and he is prefers Florida to Shea (his first option would be Washington but ...) I believe this move improves the competitive balance, at least short term, in the IBC as Dan's roster replacing one of the Newbies roster strengths the competition in the NLE without dragging down the ALE.
5. Newbie to Houston.
6. Newbie to Baltimore.

Ask 'em ... one might prefer using the DH and playing in the AL. If not, assign Jason as he is the newest ...

New NLE:

Braves - Brandon
Marlins - Dan
Senators - Ken
Phillies - Nick
Mets - Jim

No - that is not my predicted order of finish ... should be a fun division though.

Let's wrap this up! We can put this out with a simple statement that it is the intent of the ExCo, in order to provide more consistency, to limit franchise moves in the next few years. Therefore the ExCo will limit consideration of franchise moves to: (1) replacing teams that become vacant with competitive balance being the primary factor deciding when and/if a GM may move; and (2) GMs may swap franchises a GM wanted to move his team to a ballpark with particularly strong effects (e.g. Coors or Minute Maid Ten-Run Field for hitters or AT&T for pitchers) if he wants to build a different kind of team and both GMs agree.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:39 am

Mets wrote:Having read all the above and having checked with Dan I propose the following:

1. JP to Pitt - he wants to go there and no one is opposing his move ...
2. I stay put at Shea.
3. Ken to DC - he wants it, is a veteran GM and has provided good service to the IBC. While some may question why, I don't know that anyone opposes it as he is remaining within his division. (Note: this is his second move in 2 years so I think he should have to stay put for a few years now.)
4. Dan to Florida - he wants to move out of the ALE (would still prefer an AL team but understands there aren't any) and he is prefers Florida to Shea (his first option would be Washington but ...) I believe this move improves the competitive balance, at least short term, in the IBC as Dan's roster replacing one of the Newbies roster strengths the competition in the NLE without dragging down the ALE.
5. Newbie to Houston.
6. Newbie to Baltimore.

Ask 'em ... one might prefer using the DH and playing in the AL. If not, assign Jason as he is the newest ...

New NLE:

Braves - Brandon
Marlins - Dan
Senators - Ken
Phillies - Nick
Mets - Jim

No - that is not my predicted order of finish ... should be a fun division though.

Let's wrap this up! We can put this out with a simple statement that it is the intent of the ExCo, in order to provide more consistency, to limit franchise moves in the next few years. Therefore the ExCo will limit consideration of franchise moves to: (1) replacing teams that become vacant with competitive balance being the primary factor deciding when and/if a GM may move; and (2) GMs may swap franchises a GM wanted to move his team to a ballpark with particularly strong effects (e.g. Coors or Minute Maid Ten-Run Field for hitters or AT&T for pitchers) if he wants to build a different kind of team and both GMs agree.

I am OK with all of the above.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:23 am

I prefer Jim's solution to any others posted so far.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:55 pm

so that is three on board with Jim's solution.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:58 pm

Spoke with both newbies,

Lape (WAS) prefers NL/Houston
Gudim (PIT) prefers AL because of his hitters/DH/ Baltimore.

So it should work out well.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:49 pm

Oh, I see. Then everything is wrapped up in a neat little package.

Really, I mean that. Sorry if it sounded sarcastic.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:54 pm

So that's four then. It would still be nice if Bren and Jake were on board with this.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:57 pm

And if they had better ideas too for this, that would be welcome, but i'm all for Jim's proposal here and getting it done with.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:08 pm

I'm down with that proposal. As Shawn and others have touched on though, I want to see less moving in the future, maybe a cap saying you can't move outside your division more often than every 4 years (unless a favorite team opportunity arises).

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:20 pm

I'll contact the teams to get final confirmation then announce it once we have it.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:13 pm

Dan has confirmed. Just waiting on Ken. I told the newbies when they joined they weren't going to stay in their cities and I ran both scenarios by them and Jason would prefer Baltimore and Shawn would prefer Houston. Both know their fates. So we just need Ken to be on board here.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:17 pm

Regardless, let me do the team moving in OOPSS, don't try to handle it yourself (that goes for all of you). There's some specific stuff I have to do in order for it to be done right.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:21 pm

Ken has confirmed.

I wouldn't even know where to begin with OOPSS and wouldn't even touch it for a millisecond.

anyway i confirm Pit as well. So that's that.

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:23 pm

Dodgers wrote:Regardless, let me do the team moving in OOPSS, don't try to handle it yourself (that goes for all of you). There's some specific stuff I have to do in order for it to be done right.

Don't you dare screw up the Mets - I'll do that myself!

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:06 pm

Same here, I won't touch OOPSS. Email addresses Ic an do. OOPSS, definitely not.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:36 pm

I've been out of town for a few days, but looks like we got this competitive balance thing all worked out. Well done.