December 2014 Trades

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:33 pm

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Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:34 pm

RedSox trades Wade Davis, to Phillies for Alex 13-Gonzalez, Phillies Draft Pick 2,

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:51 pm

Orioles trades Kyle Blanks, to Reds for 2014 Draft Pick 60,

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:11 pm

Nationals trades Brett Anderson, 2014 Draft Pick 42, 2014 Draft Pick 119, to Mariners for Kohl 13-Stewart, 2014 Draft Pick 35, 2014 Draft Pick 107,

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 10:50 am

Nationals trades James McCann, 2014 Draft Pick 65, 2014 Draft Pick 72, to DBacks for Chase Anderson, 2014 Draft Pick 104, 2014 Draft Pick 120,

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:34 pm

Nationals trades David Phelps, to Rockies for 2014 Draft Pick 110,

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:34 pm

Reds trades David Freese, to Rangers for Travis Wood,

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:48 am

Orioles trades Trevor May, 2014 Draft Pick 98, to DBacks for 2014 Draft Pick 74, Magneuris 12-Sierra,

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 2:06 pm

Indians trades Dayan Viciedo, to DBacks for Dan Jennings, Tom Koehler,

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:56 pm

DBacks trades Michael Bourn, 2014 Draft Pick 98, to Twins for 2014 Draft Pick 75,

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:05 am

Nationals trades Juan Lagares, Aaron Barrett, to Rays for Ben 13-Lively, 2014 Draft Pick 3,

Guardians · Post by **Guardians** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:30 am

Dodgers wrote:Nationals trades Juan Lagares, Aaron Barrett, to Rays for Ben 13-Lively, 2014 Draft Pick 3,

Giggle

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:06 pm

Dodgers wrote:Nationals trades Juan Lagares, Aaron Barrett, to Rays for Ben 13-Lively, 2014 Draft Pick 3,

How in the world did this clear the TRC?

Phillies · Post by **Phillies** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:34 pm

Rangers wrote:
Dodgers wrote:Nationals trades Juan Lagares, Aaron Barrett, to Rays for Ben 13-Lively, 2014 Draft Pick 3,
How in the world did this clear the TRC?

1. Legares was a 4 WAR player last year in 116 games, 2. Two guys that have been around for a while, 3. No sign of collusion. Not saying I love the trade, but that's why I passed it.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:44 pm

Juan Lagares was a 4 WAR player based almost entirely on outfield dWAR, which is consistently inconsistent (1) and not accurately accounted for in the sim (2). It's a fundamental misunderstanding of WAR to simply quote the number and move on.

Phillies · Post by **Phillies** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:58 pm

Like I said I don't like the deal, but the moving parts weren't significant enough for me to reject. Lots of risk in every player/pick in this deal. Shall we move it to a vote?

Mariners · Post by **Mariners** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:11 pm

Dbacks opinion, no vote.

Reds · Post by **Reds** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:12 pm

While I am on the TRC this is a deal I did not vote on as it went through prior to me having the opportunity to do so. It would be really easy to say that I wouldn't have approved it, but honestly I don't know how I would've voted. The difficulty for TRC members on deals of this sort is that when IBC GM's are longstanding it is difficult to reject a deal because they get the benefit of the doubt. In this case if there are any reservations about the deal I'd recommend sending it to a league wide vote. The result would give us on the TRC some guidance as to how closely we should be looking at deals involving IBC veterans.

Rays · Post by **Rays** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 5:27 am

Hey Fellas,

Happy holidays! If the league decides on a vote for this I will say more, but wanted to quickly respond to a few of the comments made by GMs I respect quite a bit.

I do think defense matters a great deal in the sim and Legares is obviously an outstanding defender, but I am actually more intrigued by his offensive growth rather than just his defensive prowess.

Jake is right to point out that the WAR value is very much influenced by the dWAR ; however, look at the oWAR and oRAR gains between the two seasons.

2013 392 AB .242/.281/.352 OPS + 80
2014 416 AB .281/.321/.382 OPS + 102
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2013 WAR 3.5/ oWAR 0.2/ dWAR 3.5/ oRAR 4
2014 WAR 5.5/ oWAR 2.4/ dWAR 3.4/ oRAR 24
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Brett is getting a terrific pick (1.3) in a deep draft. I'm getting a young, top 10 CF who at 24 has a few more years before he reaches his prime.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:19 am

If you also look at the jump from Lagares' MiLB numbers from 2009 to 2010, you'll see his jump from 2013 to 2014 is pretty consistent with the overall offensive growth of a young player. Martin's team is pretty loaded with power, having a terrific young defensive CF with upside still on the bat should be a pretty highly coveted player.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:32 am

Reds wrote:While I am on the TRC this is a deal I did not vote on.

This is the main problem with everything for me. I believe Jake L. accidentally clicked approve when he shouldn't have -- and he shouldn't have even voted on the trade at all.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:08 pm

Indians trades Tom Koehler, to Tigers for 2014 Draft Pick 79,

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 4:32 pm

Nationals wrote:If you also look at the jump from Lagares' MiLB numbers from 2009 to 2010, you'll see his jump from 2013 to 2014 is pretty consistent with the overall offensive growth of a young player. Martin's team is pretty loaded with power, having a terrific young defensive CF with upside still on the bat should be a pretty highly coveted player.

Or given the current offensive context you can approximate that style of production in the sim with a zero bat VG defense projecting CF with some speed as I've done going back to the great Dewayne Wise. Anyone want to trade me a top 5 pick for Dewayne Wise (or JBJ last year or Sam Fuld this year)? If there was an irregularity in the voting process the first question is whether switching from a yes vote by Jake to a no vote by Ken changes the approval process. If not it's a bad deal but it's moot, if it is then let's follow the process.

Phillies · Post by **Phillies** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:32 pm

Athletics wrote:
Nationals wrote:If you also look at the jump from Lagares' MiLB numbers from 2009 to 2010, you'll see his jump from 2013 to 2014 is pretty consistent with the overall offensive growth of a young player. Martin's team is pretty loaded with power, having a terrific young defensive CF with upside still on the bat should be a pretty highly coveted player.
Or given the current offensive context you can approximate that style of production in the sim with a zero bat VG defense projecting CF with some speed as I've done going back to the great Dewayne Wise. Anyone want to trade me a top 5 pick for Dewayne Wise (or JBJ last year or Sam Fuld this year)? If there was an irregularity in the voting process the first question is whether switching from a yes vote by Jake to a no vote by Ken changes the approval process. If not it's a bad deal but it's moot, if it is then let's follow the process.

I hate to say it, but after all the years of you bashing my Votto trade, your Stanton trade was pretty bad and we didn't overturn that. Why would we overturn a trade with draft picks, prospects, and relievers? The pieces in this trade just aren't that significant. Martin has earned the right to trade a draft pick for a player he really likes.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Thu Dec 25, 2014 2:20 am

Nah dude, that deal is going to work out fine. What this deal is like is my first trade in the league when I sent out the #6 pick (Troy Tulowitzki) for Jeremy Accardo and the 28th pick (thanks TRC of 2005

).

IBC

December 2014 Trades

December 2014 Trades

RedSox/Phillies Trade Approved

Orioles/Reds Trade Approved

Nationals/Mariners Trade Approved

Nationals/DBacks Trade Approved

Nationals/Rockies Trade Approved

Reds/Rangers Trade Approved

Orioles/DBacks Trade Approved

Indians/DBacks Trade Approved

DBacks/Twins Trade Approved

Nationals/Rays Trade Approved

Re: Nationals/Rays Trade Approved

Re: Nationals/Rays Trade Approved

Re: Nationals/Rays Trade Approved

Indians/Tigers Trade Approved