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    Barry Manilow once sang a song that captures how I feel right now, I think it went... "ooohhhh Nnamdi, well you came and you gave without taking, but I sent you away, ooooohhh Nnamdi" or something like that.

    What I mean to say is that was by far the weirdest superstar-team break-up in the history of the NFL, especially considering it involved the league's current standard-bearer for sloppy separations, your 2011 Oakland Raiders. This is the franchise that witnessed such trainwrecks as: the Marcus Allen drama, Randy Moss openly dogging it after 5 yards and forcing a trade, Warren "please-for-the-love-of-christ stop-opening-your-mouth-you-moron" Sapp opening his fat mouth too much, and of course Emperor Palpatine and his overhead projector firing his bratty child/ mercenary coach (a.k.a. "The Greatest Presser Ever Held").

    No press conference, not even a sour remark to the media about the contract the Eagles gave the former Cal safety and Bay Area favorite son as the Raiders quietly went about the business of preparing for a fast-approaching season while another dominant CB turned in his jersey and cashed in on the FA market. Heck, demi-bust Robert Gallery (that's what you call a #2 overall pick who ends up a really good guard) never uttered a word in anger about the organization despite some historically bad seasons, and Al still managed to gently kick him in the ass on his way out by allowing it to be leaked that his contract demands were outrageously high. I mean, didn't Al invent "outrageous" anyway? Any Raider fan will admit that the team's secretive and smugly self-assured old general outrages us plenty. No matter how bad it got though - and it got pretty bad a couple seasons ago when fans went so far as to rent a billboard near the team's offices imploring Mr. Davis to hire a GM - Raider fans always know that in the end Al Davis wants exactly what we do: Just Win, Baby. Davis has made his share of mistakes, but few who have observed Mr. Davis in his capacity as owner, GM and coach (AFL Coach of the Year, in 1963) doubt his ability to find another quality corner to pair with Stan Routt on a matching island across the field.

    There's no way around the fact that losing your best player hurts your team, especially when he also happens to be the best at his position in the game. Make no mistake, Asomougha's worth every penny the Iggles stuffed in his pockets, but over the decades Davis has drafted for volume and athleticism at the CB position, batting about .500 as far as every-down players for the defensive backfield. Considering how boom-or-bust these kinds of prospects tend to be, .500 isn't too bad. In fact, it's so not bad that the Raiders can trot out an unbroken chain of HOF/ Pro-Bowl corners dating back to 1963 that's only 6 names long:

    Willie Brown (HOF) -> Lester Hayes (HOF) -> Mike Haynes -> Terry McDaniel -> Charles Woodson -> Nnamdi Asomougha

    And that's without even getting into the list of HOF safeties Davis drafted (Tyvon Branch is the next impact guy at that position). The Raiders have had an historically awful run since their Super Bowl beatdown against Gruden (against his own playbook), but the one position that is not responsible for the team's failings is CB. Blame it on the D-line, blame it on the clusterfuck that passed for the QB position after Gannon, but it can't be blamed on Nnamdi and the CBs Davis has brought in, which is exactly why the news hasn't sparked panic in Oakland, or grouchy press conferences with projectors and circles and arrows and such, as some of the talking (fat Sapp-shaped) heads might have you expecting. The fact is that the Raiders front office (that's MR. DAVIS to you) have proven capable of filling that position before and they'll need to do it again if the Raiders ever want to become a championship-caliber defense.

    Routt seems capable of holding down one side, so as long as the Raiders don't go back to the FA well (The Larry Brown and DeAngelo Hall debacles have made me a little nervous about the Cromartie rumors) Davis's track record identifying talent at CB tells us there's a chance someone will emerge from a group of recent draftees including Walter McFadden, Jeremy Ware, Demarcus Van Dyke and Chimdi Chekwa. Obviously it hurts the Raiders to lose a player of Asomougha's caliber, but there's no reason the loss should derail a defense on the rise, especially when all the talent they've amassed on the defensive front figures to have opposing QBs on the run enough to take some heat off the inexperienced DBs.

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8/1

Yeah, so I'm so juiced up about the NFL being back - how cruel would it have been to Oakland and Detroit fans to have no season right as the Raiders and Lions are turning the corner from a decade of misery - that I'm basically writing a blog for my ownself to read information I already know.
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    Thankfully, the Raiders passed on signing Antonio Cromartie in favor of the group they have led by veteran CB Chris Johnson, who held up well in limited starting duty opposite Asomougha before Routt's emergence... national reports declaring Oaklands' signing former Ravens' OT Jared Gaither a "done-deal" turned out to be in error. Although the athletic Gaither would have been a nice fit for his former OC and new Oakland HC Hue Jackson, the Raiders apparently weren't satisfied with the tackle's recovery from a back injury and opted to pass and bring in former Raider and Jaguars OT Khalif Barnes. With Al Davis's Mario Henderson tackle-experiment mercifully over for good (Henderson was finally released), all indications are the team intends to go with 2nd year OT Jared Veldeheer at LT and toss Barnes into the mix at RT to hopefully accelerate the development of rookie RT Joe Barksdale (3rd round, LSU), the teams' long-term answer at the position.
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    ESPN's Bill Williamson is reporting that the Raiders are on the cusp of losing the one truly irreplaceable FA they had hit the market this offseason, and I'm not talking about Nnamdi Asomougha. TE Zach Miller is a budding star who has led the Raiders in receiving for three straight seasons, and would be considered among the NFL's elite on any other team (before Campbell he spent his 4-yr career catching "passes" from the likes of Luke McCown, Andrew Walter, Daunte Culpepper, $#%!*@# Russell, Charlie Frye and Bruce Gradkowski). A surprisingly cold market led many observers to all-but-guarantee that the ASU product would re-sign with the Raiders the moment the long-term deal with LB/DE Kamerion Wimbley shifted enough cap-stuff around that Al could properly overpay him. The Wimbley deal got done today. It's not an exaggeration to say that should the Seattle Seagulls and their filthy stinking rich owner Paul Allen succeed in wooing the young pass-catcher to join Mellow Pete and the Fightin' Cable Guy in Seattle, it'd be a straight catastrophe for the Raiders. No question Cable (who as the new Seahawks' OL coach has already lured FA and former-Raider OG Robert Gallery to the Pacific NW) knows exactly how much going from the talented Miller to the backup-y former Iowa Hawkeye Brandon Meyers would hurt Al's Raidahs on offense. I'm sure Cable has encouraged Allen to unleash the full fury of his bankroll on Miller. This is terrifying news for Raider Nation, and seems like just the type of crappy news the Raiders do NOT need after all the good vibes created by Seymour's lockout sessions and Hue Jackson's energy. If Miller signs with Seattle there's no doubt in my mind Al Davis will get so angry he uses the dark side of the force to choke a random lackey to death in the Raider offices.

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The Raiders will have to cut a player in-season to activate Pryor. They've also left themselves without second-, third-, and fourth-round picks in the 2012 draft.

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You know, against all logic, I love the move. Once I heard about Pryor's 40 time I understood.
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Athletics wrote:You know, against all logic, I love the move. Once I heard about Pryor's 40 time I understood.
4.41! 4.41!

Gotta be getting a 3rd rounder as comp for FA losses of Asomougha, Gallery, Miller, so why not take a gamble. The last QB-turned WR the Raiders ran out there ended up being pretty decent (Ronald Curry). Now that I feel good about the coaching staff for the first time in a while, I can be a little more supportive when Al Davis burns picks or trades for pure athletic talent since they aren't necessarily doomed to fail anymore.

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I also like The Pryor move because the Raiders have only had bad news since the lockout ended (Kevin Boss doesn't count right after losing Miller, even though it was a decent get). I'd like to see Pryor at WR/TE with that size/ speed combo. Ronald Curry with a longer shelf-life (which is a pretty good player) would be the ideal outcome in that scenario though, so we'll see if Al Davis thinks Pryor has a future under center after he serves his ridiculous 5-game suspension. I think the old man's ok with the group he has at QB, and if he wants some kind of contribution from Pryor before the end of next season (since they probably won't get bupkus in 11 games this year) the quickest way would be to make him a pass-catcher.

What the Raiders really need Pryor to be is the best CB on the planet, but that guy bolted for greener pastures, so they'll have to settle for a 5-game wait and then see what Al's latest burner can do.

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I'm rooting for a Slash role.
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The old man needs to croak if you ever want that team to go anywhere. Jason Cole hit it on the head, Pryor is screwed because Al Davis won't hold his feet to the fire to make him accountable. http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... back082211
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Oakland. Raider. Football.

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The Raiders are fun to watch man.
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Phillies wrote:The Raiders are fun to watch man.
Exciting at every position, including kicker. Wait'll Jacoby Ford comes back and he, Moore and McFadden are all on the field together.

Hopefully they can keep it going at home, but I'm not holding my breath with an angry Belichick and the Pats coming to town. Even worse, coming off a shitty day I'd expect Brady to be at his ridiculously accurate best against a Raider secondary yet to show it can adequately defend the pass. Seymour and the bigs on the D-line will need to have a monster day (hopefully create a turnover or 2) or the man coverage will get eaten alive by the Brady/Welker/Branch crossing-route-laser-show. The Raiders have an athleticism advantage that they'll have to maximize while doing as good a job or better avoiding penalties and stupid mistakes as they did against the Jets. The good news is the Pats haven't really stopped anyone either, so Run DMC should be able to do his thing. I wouldn't bet money on the Raiders, but I at least think Oakland's got a shot at home against New England this week. Should be a scorefest.

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The NFL has lost one of its greats. The league would not exist as we know it today without Al Davis, so it's a truly sad day for anyone who loves football.

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It is a loss for the Raider Nation on an emotional front as they lose a legend, while it is also sadly the best thing for that organization and should finally allow them to move into the modern era on an organizational front.

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I think the Raiders are turning the corner. The Raiders had a bad 8 year run after a 40 year run of being one of the best franchises in all of pro sports. There's always a down period for franchises (excepting probably MLB where teams like the Yankees and Red Sox can spend endlessly to fix mistakes from now on, this doesn't apply to the Cubs of course).

Al Davis is on the NFL Rushmore, along with Paul Brown, George Halas and you can debate the 4th person (Landry? Lamar Hunt? Bill Walsh?). He did it all, he did it his way. Was he a prick? Sure, but sometimes you have to be a prick, that's what made him great, being ruthless. Being ruthless kept the AFL alive. He also went against the grain all the time, and most of the time it was for the overall good of football long term, and not for greed.

Al Davis was also a trailblazer for minorities but he never tooted his own horn about it. First black first round pick, first Hispanic head coach, first black head coach, first guy to mine historically black colleges for talent, the guy that integrated USC football and defied segregation in the South with the AFL. But you notice that it is called the Rooney Rule and not the Davis Rule when it comes to interviewing minorities. This excerpt from a blog is the best summation I've read.

That last pro-individual, anti-market impulse marks the basis on which we should celebrate Davis the most. In the 1960s, Davis was willing to risk alienating the lucrative football-crazy southern market when he pulled two games from venues there after learning that black players would be segregated in separate hotels, away from their teams. When it came to markets or morals, Davis told Jim Crow to go fuck itself. Later, he required no NFL-imposed rules to push to recruit black players in the south in the 1950s, to hire the first female CEO, the first (and, for 32 years, the only) hispanic head coach or the first black head coach in the modern era. On that last account, he beat the Pittsburgh Steelers' Rooney family by 17 years. Remember that the next time the Rooneys congratulate themselves for their Rooney rule, or the next time you read Dan Rooney's reference to Davis as a “lying creep." Rooney's an authority on character and creeps: when it came down to a choice between character and winning, the Rooneys chose Ben Roethlisberger.
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Nice post AD. I didn't know much about Al being the most progressive dictator ever beyond his hiring of Shell and Flores.

I'll have to give my own ode to arguably the most influential man in modern football at some point. Besides being color-blind, Al Davis was the OG.

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There has been a Carsom Palmer sighting in Oakland.
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I don't have cell reception in my classroom, when I saw what the Raiders dealt, I had to go make copies just so I could text JP and my best friend about how stupid this deal is
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Cardinals wrote:I don't have cell reception in my classroom, when I saw what the Raiders dealt, I had to go make copies just so I could text JP and my best friend about how stupid this deal is
The Raiders would have just taken the fastest player in 2012 if they didn't deal the pick...at least now they get a semi-legitimate QB rather than another flashy player. In addition, he knows how to deal with the super egos, he worked with enough divas in Cincinnati. :wink:
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I dunno why they didn't go after Orton, and I'm not just saying that because he's my doppelganger
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Cardinals wrote:I dunno why they didn't go after Orton, and I'm not just saying that because he's my doppelganger
I don't either. This was a foolish panic move by a guy who's inexperienced with personnel moves (Jackson). Al would not have made this move. A first for Seymour? Yes. Palmer, no. Obviously Hue feels that he's coached him before and he knows the offense, but for a guy who already looked near-done a few years ago (the last time he played a snap) that's an astronomical price. This is why the NBA actually has rules against teams trading consecutive (I think) 1st round picks. It's just way too much cap/ talent combined value (even in the 2nd half of the round) to give up for that much risk. I hope Hue knows something I don't, and Palmer's hooked up to the juvenation machine, but this one screams "time to hire a real GM to replace Al before any further completely insane personnel moves are made."

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Aren't they almost out of picks for this year now? Palmer's never been the same since the Steelers broke his leg in the 05 playoffs (and they'd have never beat the Bengals otherwise and you can take that to the bank). He was clearly washed up last year
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I can't imagine the bengals not folding if Hue said you're only getting a second round pick. But I like it for the Raiders. Kyle Shoulda Beena Boller is just garbage and Orton sucks too. If Al Davis was still around I bet Vince Young would be wearing black and silver this weekend.
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Orton stinks. My suspicion is he just doesn't like to get hit, so he looks great in practice and at the beginning of the season, and then once he starts getting hit he stops having fun and just wants to avoid the punishment. Palmer is definitely the best available quarterback, and I'm sure that Mike Brown is enough of a vindictive son of a bitch that he would have absolutely walked if he didn't get a godfather offer. Garrard needing surgery killed any leverage the Raiders might have, and this one was a tribute to Al.
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Jon Ritchie: "Thousands and thousands of pictures of Tom Brady with both hands on the ball as Charles is stripping the ball would indicate to me that he had no intent on throwing that thing. I don't think any of us got the proper explanation that night. So there was a lot of anger."

Charles Woodson, Raiders cornerback, postgame interview: "It's some bull----, it's some bull----. That's exactly how I feel, I feel like it was a bull---- call. It never should have been overturned."
Ten years later this article filled me with the same sickening mix of rage and disappointment I felt watching that game, fortunately this time without the broken knuckle from punching my wall.

I do not care what the rule book says. Nobody would've looked at the play twice but to show how the Raiders ended it. Worst. Call. Ever.

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I was at that game. I thought it was over(I am a Pats fan)

I choose not to think about it...we won a Super Bowl because that went our way.
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