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First of all, RIP Jack Tatum. Enjoy some of his greatest hits (and the smooth Bone Thugs jam), as well as this clip from NFL Films calling him the #6 Most Feared Tackler in league history.

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We just might have joy in mudville. Finally. After 7 long and excruciating years of setting records for offensive futility and 11-loss seasons, things are looking up for my beloved Oakland Raiders. All of a sudden we don't hear so many cracks about senile-old-Al Davis, or have to put up with an embarrassing lack of respect by the national media for one of the men responsible for making the NFL what it is today. People seem to forget that when Davis drafted Nnamdi Asomougha in the first round, people said he should've been a 7th rounder. The converted college safety is now the best CB in the NFL.

Comments by some of his Mr. Davis's players like these by Bo Jackson are shit people should remember when the Raiders start winning again.
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Now granted I wasn't alive for any of those great Raider teams of the 70s and early 80s, but growing up, instead of watching cartoons after school I watched NFL Films videos I had and still watch NFL Network a ton. Heck, Ken Stabler is probably my favorite QB of all time not named Peyton Manning, so needless to say I'm a big fan of those Raider teams. From all of that I've gathered one thing, there is no doubt in my mind that there is an anti-Raider bias in the media. Look at Jack Tatum's obit, the first thing every one of them said was about him paralyzing Stingeley. Of course there's everything about Al Davis that is said and the fact everyone says right away that the Raiders were dirty and cheaters, while the Steelers, the great and glorified Steelers, did all the same things and yet still get preferential treatment by the NFL imo.
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The Stingley hit was not a penalty on the field. Sure, it was a rule that eventually was changed for the better, but I know some other rules like that (tuck). Tatum's also been criticized for not apologizing to Stingley's satisfaction, and there's probably something to that, but from what I've read he tried to visit him in the hospital and was turned away, then they were supposed to have a televised meeting at one point that broke down with each side accusing the other of something or another.

If it weren't for Tatum's hit on Frenchy Fuqua sending the ball flying, there would never have been an "Immaculate Catch Off the Bounce" and the Raiders might've laid claim to the 70s. I wish I was old enough to have seen those battles. Pats-Colts has gotta be the closest thing to that as far as perennial elite teams in the same conference having an extended rivalry.

Pete Rozelle and Al Davis HATED each other, and to a man ex-Raiders will tell you that the league bias against them is real. Even Tim Brown, a pretty smart dude who's been so openly critical of the organization that he's been in Davis's doghouse for some time now - not the typical "good soldier" - has said there's an NFL bias against the Raiders. I flip through the NFL network frequently to try to catch a show on some of the great teams, and there are remarkably few for an organization with 3 Super Bowl titles.

I will say that Al Davis doesn't make it easy for the media, making press access to the Raiders far more limited than for any other team in the NFL. However, it annoys me how quick the "analysts" turn to irresponsible conjecture and general negativity when they don't have their typical inside information. That's one reason why I really like ESPN's AFC West blogger, Bill Williamson. He and Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Trib are just about the only two reporters who take what they can see on the field, and what little they can squeeze out of insiders, and actually report on the play on the field. The play on the field has been horrendous for going on 7 years now, so it's not like I expect too many warm-and-fuzzies from the press. Still, it's infuriating when a talking head like Mel Kiper openly mails it in on his predicted Raiders draft picks, then criticizes the teams' selections, only to backtrack once he sees how positively the rest of the press has received them. At least McShay was willing to say "I have no idea who they will take. This is a total guess."

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Ok, I'm so fired up about the NFL season (first time I've been able to say that in years), that I can't stop myself from doing a brief 2010 Raiders preview, even if nobody cares but me. Position by position:

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Quarterbacks

This is easily the biggest and most significant change for the Raiders this offseason, and the major reason there's some excitement brewing around the team for the first time in years.

For all his past genius, Al Davis has made some giant mistakes in recent years, none bigger (literally) than sticking by JaMarcus Russell as he sipped away at the syzurp, fell asleep in meetings (and seemingly on the field most of the time) and dragged the rest of the team down with him. Cutting ties with "2 Tons of Fun" was the absolute definition of "addition by subtraction." Anyone who heard teammates take not-so-veiled jabs at the Bust from the Bayou by going out of their way to complement Bruce Gradkowski when he took over for the win at Pittsburgh last year could see that the fat kid had to go. To be fair to Al Davis, Russell was considered the consensus #1 when the Raiders chose at the top of the draft for the first time since 1962, but the old man hung onto his guy a little too long for the good of the team, and finally gave up when even a 24-hr ex-Raider offseason babysitter did nothing to help.

For the past few years the Raiders haven't just been bad at QB, they've been historically bad. Russell and Andrew Walter combined for some of the worst passing numbers in NFL history. In what could prove a draft-day steal, Al Davis sent a 2012 4th round draft pick to former Raider head coach and current archenemy Mike Shanahan and the Redskins for QB Jason Campbell, who became expendable when the 'Skins acquired Donovan McNabb.

True, Campbell didn't have a ton of success in Washington, but going from "historically awful" to even "competent" at the position is a huge upgrade. Still, many believe the former first-rounder from Auburn with the big arm has not yet reached his potential as an NFL starter. Campbell has had something like 7 offensive coordinators in 6 seasons in the NFL, most recently having to learn a West Coast system under Jim Zorn, which isn't a system that really plays to his strengths. Campbell has shown, however, he knows how to use his TE, and if his success connecting with Chris Cooley is indicative, he'll have a nice young weapon in Zach Miller to throw to in Oakland.

At worst, Campbell should be decent enough to give the Raiders an idea what they have at the other offensive skill positions, which was impossible to tell when Russell was under center. Campbell's success will depend in part on the efforts of new OC Hue Jackson to get some young wideouts and RBs to reach their potential, though his biggest challenge will probably be staying upright behind a young offensive line that is one of the weaker and least-tested units in the league.

Gradkowski gave the team a spark with his enthusiasm and effort level last season when taking over for El Busto, and lead the team to one of its better victories in recent years, winning at his hometown Pittsburgh Steelers. A torn pectoral muscle caused him to miss OTAs, but he's back throwing the ball, and expected to be firmly in place as the backup once the season begins. A solid #2 QB for any team, he lacks elite physical tools, but knows how to keep his team in a game and doesn't make silly mistakes when he's running the offense.

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and former Cal standout Kyle Boller will compete for the #3 job. Frye's had more NFL success than Boller, but I might give Boller the edge since he worked with Hue Jackson previously in Baltimore. Besides, Al's a sucker for a big arm and Boller's probably still in the league on account of his ability to throw it downfield.

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I will say this, about the only college football I watch is SEC football, and when I found out everyone was saying Russell was the #1 pick, I couldn't believe it. The guy never impressed me in college. Jason Campbell on the other hand did impress me and I think he will be a good addition
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I don't watch much college football, other than the big games (Michigan-OSU, LSU-Bama), UConn, and the occasional interesting Big East matchup (Pitt/WVU/Cinci), so I was absolutely enamored with Russell's size and cannon arm. After watching Russell play ND in a bowl, Tim Brown is on record as saying the Raiders should pass on Russell because he liked to take "5 pats" of the ball before throwing in college, which was too many to adjust to the 1.5 max you get before ending up on your ass in the NFL.

What I do know about Campbell is that he seems to be embracing the opportunity for a fresh start so he can show what he's capable of, and that's good enough for me considering where we've been the last few years.

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The whole Russell era was just bizarre, and an example of how important the quarterback is. There is a lot more talent on the Raiders than their record has indicated, but Russell was just beyond awful. I actually went to my first Raider game last year (when they played the Jets) and I've never seen anything like it. The Black Hole was absolutely dead, and the only time the crowd got into the game at all was booing JaMarcus. It was the first (and probably only) football game I've ever left early. It's a shame because the early 2000's Raiders were some of the most fun teams to watch in the NFL (Gruden bullshit aside).
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Yeah, they looked like a different team even with a backup caliber guy in there in Gradkowski. I didn't realize until then exactly how much Russell was holding them back. I mean, they had to basically gut the playbook for him. I agree that there's more talent there than people think, but I'm still worried about the O-line. More on that to come.

Bummer that you had to go to that 38-0 stinker last year. Even during these past few horrible years, the Raiders almost always found a way to beat the Jets, regardless of records. Until last year, of course.

The only Raider game I've ever been to was the 2002 last-second loss at home to the 49ers on a kick by Jose Cortez. It was their 4th straight loss, and an absolute heartbreaker against the cross-bay rivals, especially for Jerry Rice who was playing against the Niners for the first time. Right when I stepped off BART to go to the game I saw this dude with a shaved head and a Raiders logo tattoo covering most of his scalp. I remember thinking two things:

1. that's the kind of tattoo you can probably only get in prison
2. I didn't care that I had been up all night the night before, and was baking in the November sunshine, I was just damn glad to be wearing all black.

After that game the Raiders went on an 11-1 run that won them the AFC West, and got all the way to the Super Bowl. Barrett Robbins disappears to Mexico, Bill Callahan uses Gruden's own friggin' playbook against him, and the rest is history. Those teams were fun to watch though. Gannon had that string of 300-yd games, Wheatley, Garner, Timmy B. and Jerry Rice were all dangerous. Chuck and Rod Woodson on D (Rod had 8 picks that year I think). Great team.

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Offensive Line

While it's difficult to judge Oakland's talent level at almost any offensive position given that they lacked any semblance of a passing game, or anything nearing competent QB play, it's safe to say the O-line has been a major weakness in recent years. Despite having what seemed like a solid stable of RBs, the Raiders haven't exactly imposed their will on opponents via the ground game in recent years.

While he never developed into the bookend LT he was expected to become after being drafted second overall in 2004 out of Iowa, LG Robert Gallery has firmly established himself as Oakland's best offensive lineman. Before an ankle injury derailed his 2009 season, limiting him to just 6 games, Gallery had been steadily improving each season and had the look of an above-average interior blocker. If the Raiders are to have success running between the tackles in Hue Jackson's offense, Gallery will be a big reason why. The rest of the O-line is loaded with question marks, starting with LT Mario Henderson. Henderson is your typical "Al Davis special" - a freakish athlete and former DE at Florida State that Davis gambled on in the 3rd round a few years ago - and will almost definitely begin the season as the starting LT. As "Al's guy," you can bet he'll get a pretty long rope should he stumble early. The good news is that the potential is there. At 6'7" and 300 lbs with enormous hands and upper-body strength, Henderson is a beast who has at times looked dominant against some of the league's best pass rushers, and at others been beaten regularly. He needs to take a step forward this year for the Raiders to improve, or Jason Campbell will spend too much time on his ass to be the difference-maker many fans and observers think he can be. C Samson Satele arrived in trade from Miami last offseason, in what essentially amounted to a "center swap" after former Raiders C Jake Grove signed with the Dolphins. Some commentators thought Oakland should have pursued veteran FA Kevin Mawae to shore up the position, but the coaching staff seems to like Satele. Besides, Mawae has a rep as a "union agitator," and it's been so long since Mr. Davis has had to telegraph the Pinkertons, he probably wants to avoid any trouble. Early indications by coach Tom Cable are that veteran OT Langston Walker (who returned to Oakland after a two-year stint in Buffalo) will be the starter at RT, though T Khalif Barnes and rookie OT Jared Veldeheer may both be in the mix. The Raiders took a solid step forward by drafting Veldeheer out of tiny Hillsdale in the 3rd round and workout warrior OL Bruce Campbell of Maryland in the 4th (after Mel Kiper Jr. and other "experts" had him tabbed as Oakland's 1st rounder). Campbell has been getting work in at guard, supposedly to get him acclimated to the offense more quickly and get him on the field as much as possible, but has long-term potential as a tackle due to his insane athleticism. G Cooper Carlisle, T Eric Pears and C Chris Morris round out a less-than-stellar group.

Overall, this is not a very strong unit. While Veldeheer and Campbell have the potential to be above-average O-lineman down the road, both are more projects than plug-and-play, and unlikely to make an impact this year. It's also unclear how much the team will stick to Cable's preferred zone blocking scheme. Supposedly they will mix in some more traditional power-blocking schemes, which would likely be an advantage to the younger players like the two rookies, and athletes like Henderson who have struggled in the past with the more complicated scheme and footwork. A healthy Gallery, and more consistent play at LT from Henderson would make a big difference in 2010 for Oakland's offense.

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Ha. Please do yourself a favor and watch this youTube. Bad mothershutyomouths...

I have this song on my iphone playlist twice so it plays more than any other song... except "Can't You See" by Marshall Tucker. That gets a dupe as well.

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Nice blog post by Jerry Mac from the Trib about Jerry Rice's tenure in Oakland.

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Be in the right place. Catch everything. The West Coast Offense at it's best in a 2002 SC highlight of Rich Gannon shredding Pittsburgh.

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This thread is going to have like 4,000 views by the time football season rolls around, just from me clicking on the two YouTubes I posted here.

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Marlins wrote:Ha. Please do yourself a favor and watch this youTube. Bad mothershutyomouths...

I have this song on my iphone playlist twice so it plays more than any other song... except "Can't You See" by Marshall Tucker. That gets a dupe as well.
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BTW Dan, I actually dreamed the Sea of Hands game last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfj9d7nU ... re=related
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Cardinals wrote:BTW Dan, I actually dreamed the Sea of Hands game last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfj9d7nU ... re=related
YouTube is evil. I could watch old Raider highlights all day. If I ever get into old Whale highlights, I'm in trouble.

It's a crime that Kenny the Snake is not in the HOF, despite having more rings, better numbers, and generally being more of a hard livin' bad-ass (w/ fewer fur coats) than Joe Willie Namath. Crime.

Also like the end of that video when Manny Fernandez decks that Raider fan after he runs on the field and punches Nick Buonoconti in the stomach. Hilarious.

Has there been another era in the NFL with 3 teams in one conference as great as the Steelers, Raiders and Dolphins in the 70s? I guess 3 out of the Giants/Redskins/49ers/Cowboys must have overlapped in the late 80s early 90s. Still, I think the sheer volume of mustaches puts the 70s era teams one step ahead.

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Kenny Stabler didn't play in New York. Kenny's from Alabama and not one of the Pennsylvania legacy QBs from around Pittsburgh. Kenny never guaranteed a win, he just won. Namath's drunken mishap was on national TV and was funny. Kenny just gets DUIs in Alabama. Namath has the whole "rescued and legitimized the AFL" myth around him. A lot of writers (Paul Zimmerman for one openly admits it) just don't like Stabler for his hard living and therefore don't vote him in. But I think with Madden having gotten in as a coach, it is just a matter of time til Stabler gets in
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Marlins wrote:
Cardinals wrote:BTW Dan, I actually dreamed the Sea of Hands game last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfj9d7nU ... re=related
YouTube is evil. I could watch old Raider highlights all day. If I ever get into old Whale highlights, I'm in trouble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bwZbWZhAaM
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Cardinals wrote:BTW Dan, I actually dreamed the Sea of Hands game last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfj9d7nU ... re=related
YouTube is evil. I could watch old Raider highlights all day. If I ever get into old Whale highlights, I'm in trouble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bwZbWZhAaM
Yeah. I've seen that one a few hundred thousand times maybe. It's the only youtube I have permanently bookmarked (soon to be joined by the "Autumn Wind").

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I want to apologize for you being fired from watching this stuff on youtube all day
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