With the system Shawn has set up, there's really no excuse for a GM totally missing a pick anymore. We have a great draft queue, automatic clock, etc.
Right now, if someone misses a pick, they can make it up, what do people think about switching it to something like what the NFL/NBA do, where if you don't make your pick in the allotted time, (and don't have a queue to autopick for you) then you miss out on the pick, no making it up.
I know the fact that I'm suggesting this will probably put 1/3 of the league against it right off the bat, but I think it's something we ought to consider for future drafts.
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Why - just because we can? Or is there a substantive reason to consider this?Padres wrote:With the system Shawn has set up, there's really no excuse for a GM totally missing a pick anymore. We have a great draft queue, automatic clock, etc.
Right now, if someone misses a pick, they can make it up, what do people think about switching it to something like what the NFL/NBA do, where if you don't make your pick in the allotted time, (and don't have a queue to autopick for you) then you miss out on the pick, no making it up.
I know the fact that I'm suggesting this will probably put 1/3 of the league against it right off the bat, but I think it's something we ought to consider for future drafts.
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At the very least, I think that we should consider not allowing the pick to be made up at any time, but rather at a specified point at the end of a round or something, if the GM alerts Shawn or someone of his desire to do so. As our rules currently stand, if someone doesn't love what's on the board, say, early in the 4th round, they would be wise to let their time expire and see if any news comes out either about an international player or an enlightening update on a draftee. I don't think that we should encourage an enterprising GM to go that route, but I think our rules currently do.
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Because if you can't follow the draft enough to even make up a list of players for the Queue, why should someone be allowed to make up the pick?WhiteSox wrote:Why - just because we can? Or is there a substantive reason to consider this?Padres wrote:With the system Shawn has set up, there's really no excuse for a GM totally missing a pick anymore. We have a great draft queue, automatic clock, etc.
Right now, if someone misses a pick, they can make it up, what do people think about switching it to something like what the NFL/NBA do, where if you don't make your pick in the allotted time, (and don't have a queue to autopick for you) then you miss out on the pick, no making it up.
I know the fact that I'm suggesting this will probably put 1/3 of the league against it right off the bat, but I think it's something we ought to consider for future drafts.
The makign up of picks is a remnant from before the current system, when we didn't have an auto-queue (and I'm also pretty sure it was a shorter draft window). There needed to be a backup because we all (hopefully) have lives outside the IBC. We have a better backup system now though and if someone leaves the whole league hangign for 24 hours and doesn't even bother to have players in the queue, why should he still get a pick?
I'll ask you the same question in reverse, why should we continue to allow GM's to do this? It's unfair to those of us who are diligent and who keep the draft going smoothly.
Cardinals wrote:You miss it you don't get to make it up IMO
I'd have to agree. Or at the very least, GM's can make the pick up at the END of the draft.
There really is no reason to miss a pick with the draft queue that Shawn has taken the time to develop for us. If you can't be around when its your turn to pick, then put the players you want in the queue and turn it on. It really is that simple.
anyway we could implement a system where the website sends an email alerting each team when they're up to pick?
if we had that, I'd be ok with not allowing the team to get to pick if they don't pick within the allotted time; but I do agree that missing a pick with the way the system is set up is inexcusable
if we had that, I'd be ok with not allowing the team to get to pick if they don't pick within the allotted time; but I do agree that missing a pick with the way the system is set up is inexcusable
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That is the rule in the NFL, in fact there was some talk of the Lions letting their time expire this year so that someone else would make ppick one and they wouldn't have to pay the salary. That being said those are teams with 15 minutes to make a pick, no comparison to 24 hours.
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Im just confused as to whats the difference between letting someone pick late and not letting them pick at all. If you have the 275th pick and dont make the pick...how does it hurt anybody else? In fact it helps everyone else until that person makes their pick. And please dont say time is a factor because if that's the case then someone could make their pick in the 23rd hour and 59th minute and 55th second and it would be just as much of a waste of time.
I think the point is that GM's should be put in a position where they are more concerned about making their pick in time. Perhaps if GM's would lose the pick after 24 hours, they'd be making their picks in a more timely fashion so that we can get through the draft quicker.Rockies wrote:Im just confused as to whats the difference between letting someone pick late and not letting them pick at all. If you have the 275th pick and dont make the pick...how does it hurt anybody else? In fact it helps everyone else until that person makes their pick. And please dont say time is a factor because if that's the case then someone could make their pick in the 23rd hour and 59th minute and 55th second and it would be just as much of a waste of time.
I get what the point of it is, but I just dont think there is really a difference to taking away the pick and letting them pick later. Like I said, If someone misses their pick (i.e JB) its probably due to the fact that he forgot. At this point in the league I dont think anyone is trying to waste someones time, if they really wanted to they would wait to the eleventh hour everytime. I dont believe you should be punished because you forgot.
In my case the following happened and thus far I have only missed one pick (1st round)
- After the season i took some time from the IBC. Work was busy, buying a house, etc and I frankly didnt know the draft started. By the time I finally got back around to checking the site (my own fault) I had already missed my pick
- 2nd rounder - the reason I took so much time was I was in Canada for work and really didnt have access to the web. And I still ended up getting my pick in time.
I dont think you should be penalized for missing a pick. We have all off season to get stuff done, there is plenty of time.
- After the season i took some time from the IBC. Work was busy, buying a house, etc and I frankly didnt know the draft started. By the time I finally got back around to checking the site (my own fault) I had already missed my pick
- 2nd rounder - the reason I took so much time was I was in Canada for work and really didnt have access to the web. And I still ended up getting my pick in time.
I dont think you should be penalized for missing a pick. We have all off season to get stuff done, there is plenty of time.
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If people are annoyed by having to wait the allotted time, then we should have a live draft. I'm not sure what the hurry is, given that this is our only real offseason activity until there are some kind of projections. Personally I'd rather see us hold the draft in January rather than in the middle of the holiday season. Holding it later would also allow more international signings to come in so we'd encounter fewer situations like Noel Arguellles being drafted by whichever team is lucky enough to get the news while their pick is up. I don't think that the current 24 hr limit really puts us in jeopardy of anyone "abusing the system" to wait on a guy signing. and pretty skeptical that anyone is trying to A) gain some advantage or B) just be a dick by using the bulk of their available 24 hours to make a pick. I know I've been taking a long time just because I've been too busy to put together a complete draft list like in previous years, and don't have consistent access to a computer where I can get at the resources I need to decide on a player right away. Then again, I'm pretty sure no rules have been broken here. Generally think we should avoid penalizing teams heavily (like docking a first round pick) for something that in no way hurts other teams. How many GMs have actually missed their pick this year anyway? One? Two? If people are really concerned about GMs delaying in hopes of an international signing being available, then require GMs missing picks to make their selection after the completion of the round. If they miss consecutive picks w/out making up the selection in between, they have to wait until the draft is over.
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No one is concerned about GM's delaying their pick in order to get an international signing...THAT's not how the rule works.
We have the rules set up a certain way, they were set up that way in order to fit a certain system That system has changed, we have a new, better, backup system. If you're irresponsible, lazy or just plain too distracted to get it done right and don't utilize the backup system, then you should lose the pick...IN FUTURE DRAFTS.
We have the rules set up a certain way, they were set up that way in order to fit a certain system That system has changed, we have a new, better, backup system. If you're irresponsible, lazy or just plain too distracted to get it done right and don't utilize the backup system, then you should lose the pick...IN FUTURE DRAFTS.
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This is not the NFL, NBA or even MLB. They lose a pick because they have millions of dollars and months/years of research invested in their draft queue, so them missing a pick is either A) intentional or B) so stupid everyone in the front office should be fired. We know that people missing picks is probably not intentional, so unless the GM is being fired the penalty here has limited utility as an incentive, and the harm to the team would just pile on the harm already caused by the drop in draft position. We really shouldn't dock teams for inaction that actually helps (not harms) the other teams in the league. This is different than injuries, where we were trying to keep the competition fair by imposing the penalties.
Can we impose a penalty on someone for having a hard-on for imposing penalties?
Can we impose a penalty on someone for having a hard-on for imposing penalties?
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Like I have said before. The rule as it exists now is a remnant from an earlier system. The system changed, so should the rules. If you cannot pay attention to the league enough so that you not only miss your pick but can't even bother setting up a draft queue, then you should lose the pick I don't expect the penalty to ever be applied based on the system and the GM's we have now, but if such a circumstance came up and a GM was that negligent, then they should absolutely lose the pick.
And Dan, since you don't seem to understand the draft rules based on your earlier post, someone like Arguelles could be drafted at any time,he just has to sign with a team by opening day.
And Dan, since you don't seem to understand the draft rules based on your earlier post, someone like Arguelles could be drafted at any time,he just has to sign with a team by opening day.
