Lame Duck GM Vote

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:30 am

Should we replace any of these GM's?
please pick 3 options, one for each GM (keep or replace)

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:28 pm

Before I vote has anyone talked to any of these guys recently?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:11 pm

I haven't talked to any of them, the only one to have submitted a roster in the last month and a half is Cleveland.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:23 pm

I'm curious, for those who voted differently on the two GM's, what's the difference between Pittsburgh and Washington? Neither has been active, neither has deigned to submit a roster in over a month. Both should be out on their asses, yet one has 3 votes to stay.... Why?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:17 pm

I might be alone on this, but making trades with GM's who are being discussed for having their team removed seems somewhat inappropriate.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:18 pm

Frankly, one of the reasons is I actually know who is running the Pirates and I've heard from him, I've never even heard of the Nats GM. JP and Aaron have both played h2h with Ryan, so I get the idea that he's at least trying.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:21 pm

Wonderful. he's doing the Extra credit (playing a couple series h2h) but not doing any of the required work (updating his roster, checking for injuries)

I'll make this very simple... From the IBC Rules

1. GM's are expected to maintain a high level of participation in the league. Any participant who becomes inactive and unresponsive for a term of more than 30 days may risk losing their club unless discussed with the commissioner beforehand (business trips or lengthy vacations etc.).

Washington and Pittsburgh, however nice you may personally think either one is, have both been in major violation of this rule. There is nothing more basic, simple or required in the league than submitting a roster on a regular basis. nothing is more important. Period.
Pitt has NEVER submitted a roster.
Ever. And Pitt been a member for the entire season.
April - No roster
May - No roster
June - No roster
A week and a half into July - No roster
Some GM's do rosters almost every night or darn close to it, many submit multiple rosters each week. Even some of the GM's who can't submit regularly at least ask someone to look out for their team for them. But somehow Ryan who does nothing, because you guys like him personally, deserves a spot?
I should have booted both Washington and pittsburgh while I was Commish, rather than correcting my oversight, it seems you guys want to perpetuate it.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:36 am

Maybe he's happy with the roster the SIM manager gave him initially. The lineup and stuff he has has been working fine and he's been lucky enough to avoid injuries, what updates need to be made? It took me a while to figure out that I needed to send in an MP every week, as far as I'm concerned the other stuff is far more indicative of a desire to stay in the league, whoever deals with him needs to make sure he understands the participation requirements (perhaps that should be JP since he's so good at reaching out to people), but playing h2h games seems to me to demonstrate a clear desire to participate, which is the big thing.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Jul 11, 2007 8:35 pm

Reposted from the other thread since this is where it is most relevant...

Jake, I couldn't disagree more. Submitting rosters and checking the DL are the most important parts of being a member. For a long time I thought this guy was already gone and wasn't sending him DL penalties, I was just watching his team myself and any time someone was DLed, I farmed him myself. He's got to be owed DL penalties on close to a dozen players for that period. The DL problem has been THE biggest problem for the length of the IBC, being so bad in that area ought to cause a GM to be removed, no matter how many trades he makes (Pitt has ONE trade in the last 2+ months). Right now, he's playing Baek injured and I know I deactivated Bray, Shealy and blalock because I thought the team was vacant and I'm ALMOST tempted to go back and look at the other players he's had play while injured to show just what a liability he has been.

14 weeks of no DL or roster attention v. 1 trade and 3 h2h series played

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:09 am

RedSox wrote: Submitting rosters and checking the DL are the most important parts of being a member.

Submitting rosters and checking the DL may be the most important duties of a member, but the most important parts of being a member in a league like this are competency (far and away the biggest), interest in the league, and not making everyone else miserable because you're such an asshole.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:44 am

Not sure I agree, we've had plenty of asshole's who were very good members. Josh for example was a very good member in his way.

hanging out online and talking baseball makes for a good pal, it doesn't mean squat though if you can't perform the minimal duties

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:05 am

RedSox wrote:Not sure I agree, we've had plenty of asshole's who were very good members. Josh for example was a very good member in his way.

hanging out online and talking baseball makes for a good pal, it doesn't mean squat though if you can't perform the minimal duties

And performing minimal duties doesn't mean squat if you can't think your way out of a paper bag or don't know what you're doing.

And frankly, I'm not sure why you used Josh as an example. You were one of very few people who wanted him gone when you kicked him out. I'm not saying Josh isn't out there or a little unstable, but he's not what I'm describing when I say asshole. To be honest, I'm not sure who I've ever been in a league with who is that bad that you'd want to get rid of them based on their asshole-ness, but if someone were, he'd take all of the fun out of the league.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:18 am

Most of the a-holes i'm thinking of were entertaining in their stupidity. Joe for one, though he was more idiot. Chrash... they cracked me up...

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Thu Jul 12, 2007 9:12 am

While we're debating what makes GMs good and worthwhile, keep in mind what a good GM, by all terms of anything discussed, Paul was until Bren essentially single-handedly ran him out of town.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 3:29 am

I haven't talked to Paul since he left so I don't know exactly what the story was, but I'll never believe that an argument over a rejected trade should be enough to get someone to quit a league, some of that has to go on him.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:10 am

If I remember correctly, Paul had had about enough of Bren's antics before a rejected trade sent him over the edge.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:13 pm

Paul and I got on very well until he started bitching and trying to antagonize me. Then he pitched a fit over the trade. While I hate to be in a class of sorts with Josh, he also hated on Josh and Nate for not being able to get the THC off the ground and took shots at them all the time over it (which, initially was endearing, anyone who wanted to take shots at Josh was fine with me). He's a little too quick to take offense and go to war over it, IMO and he'd probably do the same thing if he rejoined. Otherwise I don't have a problem with the guy.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:28 pm

See ya later Keating I suppose.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 4:15 pm

Yea, was a decision reached here? Are we moving forward with anything? Am I taking over the role of informing GMs when they've been given the boot (oh yay!).

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 8:21 pm

Well, you are the official mouthpiece of the ExCo

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:19 pm

Ok I didn't know if the vote was a decision maker itself or if I had to wait for a go-ahead.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 5:22 am

Is there any movement on replacing these guys?

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