Post Season Injuries
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Post Season Injuries
If a player is not on their MLB teams postseason roster due to injury, they will be ineligible for that round of the IBC playoffs too. This may potentially affect a couple IBC players in Sheets and Kuo off the top of my head if they indeed are left off their rosters, so please be sure to check this out before your playoff series.
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Ugh.. This subjective injury stuff needs fixed, badly.. In the upcoming offseason. But I'd officially like to appeal this ruling to the exco.
Rotoworld news I indicates that although he is not going to play in the first round, there was only soreness.. An MRI revealed no damage.. And after playing catch the 24th reported no problems... Its pretty clear they don't know what's going on.. But given the rule is subjective, I have to wonder if he wasn't on another club, if he might be used, at least sparingly. A team like the dodgers can afford to excersize some caution, another more desperate club, might feel otherwise.
I guess I'm just a bit conflicted, because they can't find anything wrong with him. No damage on the MRI, no blood clot, and has indicated he's been pitching for much of the season already through the pain. I can't help but wonder if his situation would be different somewhere else. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't... I don't know.. But I have to respectfully appeal this ruling.
Rotoworld news I indicates that although he is not going to play in the first round, there was only soreness.. An MRI revealed no damage.. And after playing catch the 24th reported no problems... Its pretty clear they don't know what's going on.. But given the rule is subjective, I have to wonder if he wasn't on another club, if he might be used, at least sparingly. A team like the dodgers can afford to excersize some caution, another more desperate club, might feel otherwise.
I guess I'm just a bit conflicted, because they can't find anything wrong with him. No damage on the MRI, no blood clot, and has indicated he's been pitching for much of the season already through the pain. I can't help but wonder if his situation would be different somewhere else. Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't... I don't know.. But I have to respectfully appeal this ruling.
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I'm not really sure how to handle an ExCo appeal...I believe it goes to the wider league? There really wasn't much discussion needed in terms of ExCo, all 5 members agreed from the start of the discussion as to this stance.
As for the subjective aspect of it...it's not really subjective when the guy is not playing in the playoffs when he's been one of the top relievers on the team. Clearly if he could help them then he would be in the first round of the playoffs. The only reason they wouldn't have him on the roster for the series is injury--hence he's injured and can't play in the IBC series.
As for the subjective aspect of it...it's not really subjective when the guy is not playing in the playoffs when he's been one of the top relievers on the team. Clearly if he could help them then he would be in the first round of the playoffs. The only reason they wouldn't have him on the roster for the series is injury--hence he's injured and can't play in the IBC series.
Sorry, I guess I didn't know it had already been discussed. Trust me, I'm not trying to turn this into a big deal... And I firmly see that side of the argument.. But I have 1 question to pose..
Hypothetically of course...
If kuo were on a team such as the reds, a team who had beaten the odds and miraculously made it in.. Perhaps like the rockies last year.. A team which this 1 playoff could be their only shot in the near term.. Would he still be active, even if used in the most sparingly of ways? I'm not sure of the dodgers situation, but maybe they can afford to be extra cautious with him.
That's my only concern with the ruling... Tons of grey area I how the rules are set up, as we all know.. I hope this issue gets visited and something decided upon in the offseason... But under the curent rules, its something I feel could warrent a 2nd look, and therefore I would respectfully ask the exco to take another look at kuo's case. If he's inelgable then so be it. Again, I wasn't aware this had already been discussed. If it was public discussion, I must have missed it and I apologize in advance.
Hypothetically of course...
If kuo were on a team such as the reds, a team who had beaten the odds and miraculously made it in.. Perhaps like the rockies last year.. A team which this 1 playoff could be their only shot in the near term.. Would he still be active, even if used in the most sparingly of ways? I'm not sure of the dodgers situation, but maybe they can afford to be extra cautious with him.
That's my only concern with the ruling... Tons of grey area I how the rules are set up, as we all know.. I hope this issue gets visited and something decided upon in the offseason... But under the curent rules, its something I feel could warrent a 2nd look, and therefore I would respectfully ask the exco to take another look at kuo's case. If he's inelgable then so be it. Again, I wasn't aware this had already been discussed. If it was public discussion, I must have missed it and I apologize in advance.
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1 other thing I would ask to be considered, is if you would qualify kuo's injury as a season ending injury. The dodgers didn't, did they? I mean, he hasn't been DL'd. His season may not be over.
Is there reasonable enough doubt to think kuo couldnt possibly be actively pitching under different circumstances or with another team? I'm not sure I can definitively say NO to that question in my gut, so that's why I have to ask. Also, I just want to state I'm not looking for a crazy distracting debate here, or trying to hold anything up. Don't want a big fuss over this.. So I just ask that the exco take a quick 2nd look at the issue and make a decision as swiftly as possible - kuo wouldn't be opening my series anyway.
Is there reasonable enough doubt to think kuo couldnt possibly be actively pitching under different circumstances or with another team? I'm not sure I can definitively say NO to that question in my gut, so that's why I have to ask. Also, I just want to state I'm not looking for a crazy distracting debate here, or trying to hold anything up. Don't want a big fuss over this.. So I just ask that the exco take a quick 2nd look at the issue and make a decision as swiftly as possible - kuo wouldn't be opening my series anyway.
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We're not saying his season is over. Not being on the LDS roster is as good as being on the DL, especially since he hasn't pitched since 9/14. We've reviewed your request and determined that if he's not on the roster (Which I think is 99.9% i'm not sure if rosters have been announced yet) then he will be ineligible for your LDS series. We will monitor it as the LCS and WS approaches should you defeat Arizona.
Some of the latest reports on Kuo say, despite there being no structural damage:
Kuo, the Dodgers' top middle reliever with 96 strikeouts in 80 innings, warmed up in the bullpen to pitch in relief Saturday night at San Francisco but said he couldn't feel his fingers and didn't enter the game. He then threw for about 15 minutes in the indoor cage and still was having problems with numbness -- and his skin became red.
Hong-Chih Kuo is having numbness in his arm when he attempts to throw and has been ruled out for the NLDS.
It's pretty apparent that he wouldn't be pitching for any team - TB, LA, CIN, STL, ATL, COL, BAL, TEX... the guy can't feel his fingers when he throws. He was taken to the emergency room in SF as well after the bullpen session.
"After the game, athletic trainer Stan Conte took Kuo to the emergency room at a local hospital, where the pitcher underwent a doppler ultrasound to check how his blood was circulating. The test was negative, signaling that his blood was flowing normally. "
Honestly, of all the post season and September shut downs, this is the least subjective of them all since the 40 man rosters are eliminated. If a player could play and help his team win, it's all hands on deck at this point. I don't see how it would be otherwise.
Some of the latest reports on Kuo say, despite there being no structural damage:
Kuo, the Dodgers' top middle reliever with 96 strikeouts in 80 innings, warmed up in the bullpen to pitch in relief Saturday night at San Francisco but said he couldn't feel his fingers and didn't enter the game. He then threw for about 15 minutes in the indoor cage and still was having problems with numbness -- and his skin became red.
Hong-Chih Kuo is having numbness in his arm when he attempts to throw and has been ruled out for the NLDS.
It's pretty apparent that he wouldn't be pitching for any team - TB, LA, CIN, STL, ATL, COL, BAL, TEX... the guy can't feel his fingers when he throws. He was taken to the emergency room in SF as well after the bullpen session.
"After the game, athletic trainer Stan Conte took Kuo to the emergency room at a local hospital, where the pitcher underwent a doppler ultrasound to check how his blood was circulating. The test was negative, signaling that his blood was flowing normally. "
Honestly, of all the post season and September shut downs, this is the least subjective of them all since the 40 man rosters are eliminated. If a player could play and help his team win, it's all hands on deck at this point. I don't see how it would be otherwise.
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