DMB coming to an end.

Cubs · Post by **Cubs** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:33 pm

Looks like diamond mind is getting phased out for the online game by Imagine Sports. They claim the will continue to release season disks in the future, we shall see.

http://dmbforum.yuku.com/topic/4827/t/F ... -GAME.html

We might want to start to discuss how we would continue the league if they stop releasing projection disks.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:46 pm

"We will, however, continue to produce season and projection disks for version 9c and issue appropriate patches or updates so long as it remains financially viable to do so. We also plan to go forward with the CPS upgrades and are ensuring Jim Wheeler has the tools he needs to do this."

I think we'll be OK with projection discs. Just sucks that we won't ever get a version 10.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:51 pm

"Whatever you have, I'd greatly appreciate anything that'll save me some time! With the "official" projection disk up in the air, I'm more willing to split vs. L and vs R up instead of relying on the generic platoon splits and if I can shave some hours off the creation time, it would definitely push me in that direction."

that is from the ZiPS guy as well, so if DMB is lying about the projection discs being discontinued (which would make their 'merger with Baseball Prospectus a farce) that would at least be somewhat of an option.

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:05 pm

Yawn...this is so last week.

Cubs · Post by **Cubs** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:56 am

Rockies wrote:Yawn...this is so last week.

If you want to talk boring, why don't you resume your incessant bitching about the DL policy. Like a couple of extra games from Jack Wilson is what you need to win the NL West.

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:58 am

BlueJays wrote:
Rockies wrote:Yawn...this is so last week.
If you want to talk boring, why don't you resume your incessant bitching about the DL policy. Like a couple of extra games from Jack Wilson is what you need to win the NL West.

I'm sorry for trying to make the IBC the best league it can be. I could be one of the GM's that log in every 3 weeks, and not respond to PM's.

Shit, the way it's set up, I only have to log in every Sunday morning. And if I did that, I could post DMB news that was a week old.

Braves · Post by **Braves** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:56 pm

Rockies wrote:I could be one of the GM's that log in every 3 weeks, and not respond to PM's.

Haha Burn!

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:05 pm

Rockies wrote:
BlueJays wrote:
Rockies wrote:Yawn...this is so last week.
If you want to talk boring, why don't you resume your incessant bitching about the DL policy. Like a couple of extra games from Jack Wilson is what you need to win the NL West.

I'm sorry for trying to make the IBC the best league it can be. I could be one of the GM's that log in every 3 weeks, and not respond to PM's.

Shit, the way it's set up, I only have to log in every Sunday morning. And if I did that, I could post DMB news that was a week old.

because making it so players spend less than 15/14 days on the DL would somehow make the league BETTER???

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 11:28 pm

Please reference how you assume I've advocated that players spend less than 14/15 days on the DL. I've asked already in a different thread, but have failed to see the response.

Also, please reference, if you can, how the Jack Wilson example applies. Once again, I have a hard time understanding your arguement. Call me ignorant, but I need facts to back up statements.

Aside: I do understand what it's like to have someone challenge something that I've worked tirelesly to build. It can be very discerning to believe that the principles that I've worked hard to build are consistently being undermined. But as I've grown older and wiser, I've begun to understand that a defensive repsonse only leads to a lack of respect. Most of the time, I find that open conversation, in which both parties are able to be understood, often times leads to results in which cease to be challenged by latter parties.
My advice would be to argue your opponents stance, whether you believe it's correct or not, and you will become all the wiser for understanding how your adversary ponders.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:18 am

Your prior proposal would have created such situations as was pointed out in the other thread which I'm not going to waste my time digging up sicne you'll just bitch and moan anyways.

I have no need to be defensive, i have no say on the rules. I happen to think you don't have a clue and aren't considering the ramifications of the changes you keep proposing at every opportunity like a toy robot running into a wall. You want this league to be like the other league. It isn't. The other league is what it is, this one is what it is. Appreciate them for their differences and get over it. You think your change will make it better. it might seem better to you who has unlimited free time with nothing else to do (you do live in Georgia after all) but there are restrictions which have been set since the beginning which must be respected or the league membership will be alienated. You're advocating "only" twice a week Dl. Anyone who has read your postings can feel certain however that if that happened, it would be about a week before you started moping and crying for daily DL.
The league is as it is and it's membership depends on the certainty of certain rules. Do you cry in the midst of every game of monopoly for the rules to change to suit your tastes as well?

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:50 am

RedSox wrote:Your prior proposal would have created such situations as was pointed out in the other thread which I'm not going to waste my time digging up sicne you'll just bitch and moan anyways.

I have no need to be defensive, i have no say on the rules. I happen to think you don't have a clue and aren't considering the ramifications of the changes you keep proposing at every opportunity like a toy robot running into a wall. You want this league to be like the other league. It isn't. The other league is what it is, this one is what it is. Appreciate them for their differences and get over it. You think your change will make it better. it might seem better to you who has unlimited free time with nothing else to do (you do live in Georgia after all) but there are restrictions which have been set since the beginning which must be respected or the league membership will be alienated. You're advocating "only" twice a week Dl. Anyone who has read your postings can feel certain however that if that happened, it would be about a week before you started moping and crying for daily DL.
The league is as it is and it's membership depends on the certainty of certain rules. Do you cry in the midst of every game of monopoly for the rules to change to suit your tastes as well?

As much as you may think that it gives your argument more credability, personal attacks are hardly an effective strategy to building a strong point.

""You're advocating "only" twice a week Dl. Anyone who has read your postings can feel certain however that if that happened, it would be about a week before you started moping and crying for daily DL."""

Neither are assumptions.

If you were able to recall the recent posts regarding the matter, you'd likely see that I don't want this league to be like the other leagues. I merely offered my consulting services if the league leadership wanted to explore other options, and cited cold hard examples, which I have from experience (and not assumptions) in which different DL systems can be successfully employed.

I guess the reason I keep running into a wall is because there doesn't seem to be concrete evidence that a bi-weekly system will not work, just assumptive premonitions, and a lot of "anti-change" sentiment.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:21 am

"offered your consulting services" Ha ha! Where do i send the bill for repairing my computer keyboard 'Mr. Consultant'? That was so funny I spit soda all over it.

1. You need (rather, ought) to be an expert in a field in order to offer useful consulting services. Don't quit your day job. 2. You complain about the existing rule at every opportunity. That isn't an 'offer'.

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 11:52 am

RedSox wrote:"offered your consulting services" Ha ha! Where do i send the bill for repairing my computer keyboard 'Mr. Consultant'? That was so funny I spit soda all over it.

1. You need (rather, ought) to be an expert in a field in order to offer useful consulting services. Don't quit your day job. 2. You complain about the existing rule at every opportunity. That isn't an 'offer'.

What constitutes an "expert" in a SIM league?

I have 8 seasons experience outside of the IBC injury system. What's the benchmark for SIM league levels of expertise?

And I won't quit my day job, it's very satisfying and rewarding, and I'm quickly advancing up the corporate ladder; yet I still find enough time out of each day to get under your skin. Win-Win!

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 7:40 am

http://dmbforum.yuku.com/topic/5087/t/U ... ement.html

I'm pleasantly pleased ... and optimistic!

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:47 am

That's great news - thanks for passing along Jim...

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:18 pm

Not to drag up an old topic, but it looks like we're good with DMB for the long haul:
http://dmbforum.yuku.com/topic/5321/t/C ... eball.html
http://dmbforum.yuku.com/topic/5327/t/D ... eview.html

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:31 pm

Fucking awesome.

RedSox · Post by **RedSox** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:33 pm

Great news.

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:36 am

The Boston Red Sox today announced a series of personnel moves in the organization's Baseball Operations and Scouting departments.
The announcement was made by Executive Vice President/General Manager Theo Epstein.

Tom Tippett has been hired as Director, Baseball Information Services. Tippett began consulting with the Red Sox Baseball Operations department in 2003 and has since assisted in a variety of technology and baseball research projects. He was the Founder and President of Diamond Mind, Inc. and developed its baseball simulation software.

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/press ... p&c_id=bos

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:44 am

For anyone who doesn't know the background of Tippett and DMB, wikipedia has a brief summary:

Diamond Mind Baseball is a computer baseball simulation game, created by Canadian baseball expert Tom Tippett, who released the first commercial version of the game in 1987. In 1992, he started doing baseball work full time.

The game can be considered a descendant of dice-and-charts baseball simulations such as Strat-o-Matic baseball and Pursue the Pennant. In fact, in the beginning, the game was called "Pursue The Pennant" because Tippett had a marketing relationship with the company of the same name. This relationship ended in 1995, when the game and company were officially given its current name. Pursue The Pennant itself had been revived in 1993 as a board and computer game called Dynasty League Baseball.

Diamond Mind differs from Strat-o-Matic and other games of the genre in that it is not derived from a board game; it is strictly a computer game. Tippett claims that the fact that the game is designed "from the ground up" to take advantage of the versatility and speed of the PC make it a more accurate and flexible game than its competitors, such as Strat-o-Matic. Strat-o-Matic supporters, including Strat-o-Matic founder Hal Richman, have responded to this by stating that since Diamond Mind does not reveal its source code or algorithms, there is no way to independently verify or refute its claims of superior statistical accuracy.

Diamond Mind was named PC Magazine Editor's Choice for PC-based baseball games in its June 28, 2005 issue. It is also often used by sporting publications to predict the outcome of upcoming seasons.

Diamond Mind relocated from Boston to Beaverton, Oregon in 2005. On August 14, 2006, Diamond Mind became a wholly owned subsidiary of Simnasium (now Imagine Sports), a company which has its headquarters in Silicon Valley. Tippett stepped down from his position as head of the company to take a position with the Boston Red Sox, ceding control to Simnasium CEO Dayne Myers. Tippett remains with the company as a consultant.

Over the next two years, Simnasium/Imagine Sports shifted the development of Diamond Mind away from the PC and into the on-line world. On May 24, 2008, Imagine Sports announced to their customers that there will be no new versions of the PC version of Diamond Mind for the foreseeable future so that the company might focus on the on-line version of the game. However, later in 2008, this policy changed as Diamond Mind announced a tenth version of their standalone PC game would be released in February 2009.

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:10 am

Tigers wrote:For anyone who doesn't know the background of Tippett and DMB, wikipedia has a brief summary:

... Diamond Mind relocated from Boston to Beaverton, Oregon in 2005. On August 14, 2006, Diamond Mind became a wholly owned subsidiary of Simnasium (now Imagine Sports), a company which has its headquarters in Silicon Valley. Tippett stepped down from his position as head of the company to take a position with the Boston Red Sox, ceding control to Simnasium CEO Dayne Myers. ... However, later in 2008, this policy changed as Diamond Mind announced a tenth version of their standalone PC game would be released in February 2009.

I understand that Tom's recent good fortune will have no real impact on DMB or v.10 ... I just thought it was/is neat that he got this job promotion with the Red Sox. February 2009, meanwhile, is not far away!

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:34 am

Mets wrote:I just thought it was/is neat that he got this job promotion with the Red Sox. February 2009, meanwhile, is not far away!

Agreed on both counts

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:05 pm

Speaking of DMB, since it now appears that version 10 is going to make its long awaited debut, should we be planning to switch to it or stay with version 9?

Rays · Post by **Rays** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:51 pm

The proposed upgrades to V10 look pretty good.

We may have to discuss what to do about a projection disk for next season.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:09 pm

I thought this was a new thread, read the whole beginning without looking at the dates, and thought is sounded familiar. The moral of the story is I'm Polish.

DMB coming to an end.

DMB coming to an end.

Good news I believe