Minor League DL

[Giants]

Obviously we have a problem and need to clarify the situation. Since MILB players are used like MLB players in DMB I think the two week rule should apply, GMs are responsible for checking and minorleaguebaseball.com considered the official source of injuries, since teams can already link to MILB.com pages and its the official site. Shawn is it possible to link injury status from those pages (where it says player status in the top right corner) into your injuries page? If some GM is serious enough to double check every player on an opponents roster terrific, but I don't think we need to go mad with policing it, just have the rule in place so that there are no questions about how things are handled when the question comes up.

[Padres]

Obviously we have a problem and need to clarify the situation. Since MILB players are used like MLB players in DMB I think the two week rule should apply, GMs are responsible for checking and minorleaguebaseball.com considered the official source of injuries, since teams can already link to MILB.com pages and its the official site. Shawn is it possible to link injury status from those pages (where it says player status in the top right corner) into your injuries page? If some GM is serious enough to double check every player on an opponents roster terrific, but I don't think we need to go mad with policing it, just have the rule in place so that there are no questions about how things are handled when the question comes up.

I was always under the presumption that a player who went on the DL list - MLB or MiLB - was to be DL'd in the IBC. I also knew there was a bit less timely reporting on the MiLB players (and thus the DLing of an MiLB player tended to be more on the honor system), but even the reporting of MiLB players has increased since I joined the league.

I personally believe if a player is DL'd in professional baseball, he should be DL'd for a minimum of two weeks in the IBC.

[Dodgers]

Personally I think that we should be relating IBC rules to real life rules. We do 2 weeks on MLB players since MLB DL is 15 days. MILB DL is only 7, so I don't see why we shouldn't do 1 week. I seem to be in the minority on this though. Also, there is no reliable, comprehensive source that I can implement into the injuries page. I can't realistically have every player's page checked for an injury and checking each team's injury page is also not going to work. It's going to have to be something we police on an "as brought up basis" in my opinion. I'd suggest perhaps no penalties for minor league injuries missed and establish a place on the board for posting notable minor league injuries where GMs can post as they notice. I only noticed Hill because there was a rotoworld blurb on it.

[Cardinals]

Obviously we have a problem and need to clarify the situation. Since MILB players are used like MLB players in DMB I think the two week rule should apply, GMs are responsible for checking and minorleaguebaseball.com considered the official source of injuries, since teams can already link to MILB.com pages and its the official site. Shawn is it possible to link injury status from those pages (where it says player status in the top right corner) into your injuries page? If some GM is serious enough to double check every player on an opponents roster terrific, but I don't think we need to go mad with policing it, just have the rule in place so that there are no questions about how things are handled when the question comes up.

I was always under the presumption that a player who went on the DL list - MLB or MiLB - was to be DL'd in the IBC. I also knew there was a bit less timely reporting on the MiLB players (and thus the DLing of an MiLB player tended to be more on the honor system), but even the reporting of MiLB players has increased since I joined the league.

I personally believe if a player is DL'd in professional baseball, he should be DL'd for a minimum of two weeks in the IBC.

I think this is the easiest and most fair solution. I agree with this.

[Rangers]

I agree with Shawn as well. I don't see a good reason not to reflect real life closely here. It is a lot tougher to track than MLB obviously, but when it comes up, milb.com does list whether they are on the DL:

Tony Sipp -- | P
Status: Disabled 7-Day

Buffalo Bisons
Triple-A International League
MLB Parent Club: Cleveland

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb ... pid=448609

[Cardinals]

My only problem is that there isn't a 15 day DL to go on from what I can see, so who is to say that if he were in the MLB he wouldn't go on the 15 day DL? If Rich Hill weren't sucking ass would he just miss a start in the MLB or would the Cubs have DL'ed him?

It's a non issue I guess if the guy only spends the 1 week /7 day minimum and comes back in that one week then I guess that question is answered and they'd have to miss a week+ in the IBC if it were the latter option, so I guess I change my mind and am OK with it being 7 day =1 week minimum in iBC

[Rangers]

Yeah, like we're saying, it's not the easiest thing to track, as far as official DL time, but if a player goes on the DL and doesn't pitch/play for a month, I think that he sits out that many weeks. If he only misses the seven days, he only has to miss the week.

And like you said, I think that only requires the one stated rule change, that minor leaguers may only miss a week if their DL stay is that short.

[Giants]

The problem with mirroring real life with a 7 day DL is that is that it's so ridiculously hard to track. A player could be on the DL for 3 weeks, but the GM only catches it the last week so he only thinks that the guy was down for one week. Also, injury reporting is spotty at best, so guys may have been DL'ed before it is officially recorded. More importantly, we're mirroring real life, your IBC team is a major league team. If Rich Hill had been called up by the Cubs and gotten hurt there would not be a 7 day DL to put him on. Major League DL rules should apply since we're trying to be a major league-esque simulation. Is this a 4-2 or a 5-1 issue?

[Cardinals]

Right, I said there might not be a 7 day DL for Hill, he could have merely missed a start. That would be determined by him sitting out more than the minimum 7 days in the MILB, which would be reflected by the DL time served in the IBC if it did exceed 7 days anyway.

[Giants]

Exactly. And it's not like Rich Hill is missing minor league games in the IBC, since there are no minor league games in the IBC.

[Cardinals]

Right, but if he only misses one start and comes back after the 7 day minimum why should he have to sit out 15 days if he was only disabled for 7? At least with the MLB DL and the 15 days/2 weeks we have set up now, even if they are retroactively put on, it still tallies up to 15 days on the MLB DL.

I'm not sure what the correlation is between there being minor league teams in the MLB and none here is.

[Rangers]

To me it just boils down to guys missing as close to the same time in IBC as they do in real life as possible. For MLBers who are DLed, that equates to at least two weeks. For Hill, if he did go on the 7-day DL, it said so on milb.com. And if he misses more than a week, that will be apparent from when he pitches again, just like it is when guys are activated in MLB (they don't activate guys until the day that they're ready to play again, for obvious reasons, in almost every case, even if a starting pitcher might be healthy enough to pitch a few days earlier).

[Giants]

OK. So we make it that a guy is eligible to return when he's played in a minor league game again and call it a day?

[Rangers]

OK. So we make it that a guy is eligible to return when he's played in a minor league game again and call it a day?

That's what I'd be in favor of, to the nearest week.

[Giants]

The only question is what do we do when the inevitable 3 week injury happens that someone missed and the guy only serves 1 week of DL time? Sucks to be the non-vigilant opposing GM?

[Padres]

OK. So we make it that a guy is eligible to return when he's played in a minor league game again and call it a day?

That's what I'd be in favor of, to the nearest week.

I can agree to this ... there are times that a player is on the 7 day MiLB DL for more then seven (7) days.

We also have to recognize that much of the MiLB DL injuries will continue to be self-reported. I do trust most of the GMs in the IBC to play fairly and report MiLB (or farm appropriate players) injuries ... for example, I farmed Egbert when he was on the MiLB DL ...

[Rangers]

We also have to recognize that much of the MiLB DL injuries will continue to be self-reported. I do trust most of the GMs in the IBC to play fairly and report MiLB (or farm appropriate players) injuries ... for example, I farmed Egbert when he was on the MiLB DL ...

Yeah, half of my active minor leaguers are deactivated because the suckers can't get healthy.

[Dodgers]

So then minor league DL will be assessed as 7 days at a time? We need an answer on this today.

[Cardinals]

Yes the 7 day requries only a one week penalty. Obviously the other DL rules apply- got to be active by 11:59 sat

[Giants]

Sounds good.

[Dodgers]

Okay, someone please announce it when it becomes official (4 or 5 is probably moot since we all seem to agree now?).