Public Waivers

[Royals]

There were some people, notably Jake and John, who had complaints about the public waiver process we used for following the signing freeze, they felt it should have been blind or private in some way and for some reason, i think myself and other members of the ExCo were defensive of that, as if the critics were right.
just now, however, I realized what should have been a very obvious fact. All of our waiver claims are public. Always. Which players are being claimed, by who and which players are being released is openly available at all times just by clicking the link on the left of the main page.
While the system we used for the post freeze waivers may not have been very efficient, that it is public is in perfect conformance with how we always handle waivers and, IMO, should not be changed.

[Tigers]

I was wondering if anyone realized that (current OOPSS waiver system is all public when claims are made) when I was catching up on the posts today and happen to be reading through the waiver claims (private vs public) discussion.

[Dodgers]

It should be noted that the unique difference between daily waivers and this claim period is that normally a priority is not assigned to claims. During this post-projection period, priorities are assigned, and I'm of the opinion that that is what should be hidden from public view. As such, it should be in place for next time.

[BlueJays]

I have advocated private waivers in the past. I realize we've always had public claims but I think that should also be changed. Perhaps just a notification that a player was claimed but the claiming team should not be revealed until the player is awarded could be implemented.

[Mets]

My problem stems from a few issues.

1. I'm Joe lazy, don't want to take the time to research the post migration free agents, so I look at who everyone else is claiming, use my high priority spot to snatch him, then trade him giving me a valuable piece for being lazy and lucky.
2. I don't have a problem with seeing the highest current priority team that has claimed a player, but to see every team that's claiming a player has never seemed right to me. I'd prefer not to see what players every team in my division are claiming, and visa-versa.

I do like Nates idea of just having a notification in regular waivers for "this guy has been claimed"

Anyway, my biggest issue is with the post migration claim. I don't want to find an obscure claim, post his name, then have the rest of the league look him up, and get him before me. I could gamble that only I and maybe one other GM know about him, but if I can't get online as soon as the waivers are lifted, I'd lose him just because I didn't want to tip my hand during the waiver process.

Why couldn't we just email these claims into the Exco, and they can assign the awards? I'm surprised there hasn't been more uproar about this when I've mentioned it in the past.

[Cardinals]

Your concerns of 'laziness' and 'research' ( which is a bunch of bologna, there's no research that's involved. it's a 5 or 10 minute task of looking at DMB Splits that are readily available to everybody here) are unfounded I think. Looking through the waiver claims, I didn't see anybody that seemed to look at the first set of claims and then went through made their own claims of those players accordingly.

I do think that there should be some sort of different way to handle the post-migration players but I'm not exactly sure how at this point. I don't think these concerns are really valid though considering it's pretty evident that it didn't happen.

Having the claims be public in general adds to some strategy for your waiver claim in general and I firmly believe that regular claims should always remain public. If you have to use yours to block an opponent, so be it. That's your choice and you lose your claim as a result.

[Marlins]

I don't understand the big deal of having these claims public. It's so easy to just look at the projections and sort the good projections out. No one is going to find some gem that everyone else overlooked.

I actually started putting my list together by looking at who everyone else claimed, but as I started looking at those players stats I didn't like a lot of those players so I just scrapped it completely and looked at the available guys myself. I think you're actually going to do worse looking at what other guys have as opposed to just looking for who you want. That laziness idea might get you someone only one team really wants.

[Brewers]

I'm also in the who-gives-a-shit boat concerning public waiver claims. It's not hard to look through the projections and come up with a list of guys you're interested in. All looking at other peoples claims did was allow me to narrow down my list because I knew by the time my second claim came around that 3-4 of the guys I was looking at would be gone.

Also - and probably more importantly - no one is going to win a championship based on a few guys claimed off waivers from when the projections come out. These are the 23rd, 24th, 25th guys on active rosters...or inactives who are serving as insurance in case someone goes down. I realize with the competitve nature of the IBC and the quality of GMs we now have that every player counts but these aren't once in a lifetime finds we're dealing with here.....

[Mets]

--Edit--
I'm reading 2 thread at a time trying to catch up...just noticed that there is openess to a new process next year, which is good to look at...

for what it's worth, this was my original reply.


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It's fine if people want to discount that other GM's do research, but no one should be penalized for doing more work. To some, they sign and drop players every day, but some GM's like to have a pretty static roster, so when they do make moves, they want to make sure it counts...and not just on the SIM allstars. If I see a guy with a 70% GB rate, but a 5.50 era, i'll look into him for a possible helpful arm in 2009.

That guy might actually have a .209 BAA at AA, but DMB gave him a weak MLB projection...well, that guy is attractive to me, and by posting him publicly, another GM will see a guy with a 5.50 era, but be motivated to look further into him since I claimed him, where before he might have not.

Anyway, it's a dead issue until next year.