College Rivals

Orioles · Post by **Orioles** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:55 pm

Brewers wrote:i never said thats the reason, the big 12 is much better then the big east. They have the number 1 ranked team and 3 teams ranked inside the top 10.

The ACC went 3-2 against the Big East this year.

The Big 12 might be better than the Big East, but not by much this year. If you think Kansas has done anything this year to deserve a top 10 ranking, you're crazy. Missouri and OU are top 10 teams. Texas and Texas Tech (though neither team plays any D) are ok, and CU at least beat OU. The rest of the conference isn't strong: A&M, Nebraska, Colorado, Iowa St., K-State, Baylor, OSU.

ACC wins vs. Big East

UVA vs. UConn (W 17-16)
UVA vs. Pitt (W 45-14)
Maryland @ Rutgers (W 34-24)

BE wins vs. ACC

Louisville @ NCSU (W 29-10)
USF vs. UNC (W 47-10)
WVU @ Maryland (W 31-14)

In games not involving Duke or Syracuse, the ACC was 3-3 vs. the BE this year. I'm not sure that tells us a whole lot about either conference. MD beat the ACC's top team (BC), but relying on "common opponents" is a bit of a stretch. The Big East had better non-conference wins overall than the ACC. It's a better conference, even before you consider that it's best team will probably play in the BCS championship game.

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:10 pm

the BIG 12 is clearly better then the Big east, it shouldnt even be a might be close. They have the number 1 ranked team and 3 others in the top 10 what else do you want them to do. Its impossible compare teams on out of conference games because teams dont schedule tough out of conference games since every game means too much. Certain conferences will always feed on better talent such as the big 12 and the SEC and certain games are naturally harder then others, ask aaron there is nothing harder then an SEC road game even if its a shit SEC team. But we will never actually know which conference is better and all we can do is speculate.

You have your opinion and I have mine. Im not going to argue anymore because we will never agree on an answer and we dont actually know who is right and who isnt....it is what it is. And the one thing im sure we can all agree on March Madness cant come sooner!

And Bren will prob say something at this point about how I did a nice job of "deflecting" the subject.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:42 pm

I think the only way to compare conferences is to watch games and judge the talent in those games. I was hugely disappointed by the Missouri/Kansas game, which was my first chance to see either school up close for a full game (we don't get a ton of non Texas/Oklahoma Big 12 games out here). Take this with a grain of salt, but scouting college football players was only my job for a while, I didn't see anyone on either team that really made me say WOW, and Kansas in particular was disappointing, to the point that it made me think if they were undefeated it would actually make the Big 12 WEAKER because it meant they didn't have anyone who could beat Kansas. I've watched a lot of Pac-10 games this year, and from what I've seen from the USC's, Oregons, Arizona State's and even Cal's of the world is better team speed, stronger athletes, and more complex schemes from all of them. Based on those factors (granted I've only seen one Kansas and one Missouri game and I usually like 2 before I make a final judgement) I think that if you put any of those squads in the Big 12 North they all could have replicated the seasons both of those schools had, and been more impressive doing so. It pisses me off that these schools can duck the Hawaiis and Boise States and Fresno State when they were goods of the world to maintain the BCS status quo and after they beat their non-conference cupcakes claim they belong in the National Championship discussion.

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:00 pm

Mizzou beat a 9 win Illinois team. They didn't play cupcakes.

All major conference schools schedule easy non-conference opponents for the most part. Look at SEC teams. When you're playing talent like that, is it really worth having other tough teams taking their best shots at you too? That was the knock on Auburn in 04, but Auburn ran the table in the SEC and if you do that, you should play for a title. You can't really pay a lot of attention to non-conference schedules unless its full of I-AA and Sun Belt schools. Mid major powers vary from year to year. You also have to remember that these schedules are made out 3,4 or 5 years ahead of time. So a team that scheduled Northern Illinois for this year did so when they were a power in the MAC and a sleeper team for 10 wins. Now they're not very good. Not the fault of the team that scheduled them that they regressed.

Bren, really, we appreciate your enthusiasm for Bearcat football, but you know very little about how college football works. You've been a fan for 2 years. If you stick with it once you're out of Cincy, then some of us will put more weight into your opinions. Right now, your whole "I'll root for the rival school because its good for the conference" stuff is bullshit. Was it good for the SEC that Florida won last year? Sure was. Find me one Tennessee or Georgia fan that was rooting for them. Find me a Michigan fan that ever roots for OSU and vice versa, that's a true hardcore fan

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:15 pm

Cardinals wrote:Find me a Michigan fan that ever roots for OSU and vice versa, that's a true hardcore fan

I can think of absolutely no situation in which I would root for Michigan short of someone threatening to physically harm my wife or children! None ... screw the blue!

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:30 pm

Maybe it's just a localized thing but I've asked all the Michigan and OSU fans I've seen since this discussion started (4 michigan fans, 14 OSU fans) and most have said they'd root for the other team in a BCS game (3 Michigan and 6 OSU).

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:34 pm

3 of 30,000 current michigan students and 6 of 30,000 OSU students

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:46 pm

yes Jake, because when someone does a poll they ask every single member of a population...

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:49 pm

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:09 am

Jake, seriously, I'd just stop now...you're making Bren look like Abraham Lincoln...

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:53 am

Honestly, well done Jake. I've never met anyone who could argue so incompetently that I find myself agreeing with Bren.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:38 am

UConn v. Wake in the battle of the Big East-ACC? I'll be there

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:44 am

HUSKIES!

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:52 am

You mean Big East Champion UCONN Huskies? So awesome...

Orioles · Post by **Orioles** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:02 pm

I have to say that even though Edsall did a great job this year, I'm mildly disappointed he didn't go to GT. I think they'll beat Wake, but for the next 5 years (strictly from a recruiting standpoint) I don't know if he's the guy to take them to the next level. I guess we'll find out now if he can turn a successful season into some more talented recruiting classes. If he does, I'll be happy to eat my words.

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:02 pm

Royals wrote:You mean Big East Champion UCONN Huskies? So awesome...

Go Zags!

Orioles · Post by **Orioles** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:10 pm

Mariners wrote:
Royals wrote:You mean Big East Champion UCONN Huskies? So awesome...

Go Zags! :lol:

That was a good game, but UConn showed they're still a young team. I think if that matchup happens again in March, the Huskies won't break down again defensively late in the game. It would also help if they realized that AJ Price needs to be option 1 on offense late in the game, and if either Dyson or Stanley Robinson stepped up to become option 2. They could be very dangerous if they get some confidence by winning some big games in the Big East or if they're able to upset Indiana in Bloomington.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 12:41 pm

RedSox wrote:HUSKIES!

Nix my comment, I was thinking of football for some reason...

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:33 pm

Because that's what we were talking about. They just changed the subject to basketball.

That being said, you can't root for a school and not root for it in all sports imo. Classic bandwagoneering if you're rooting for the Huskies in football but not in basketball. Weak shit.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:38 pm

Dodgers wrote:Because that's what we were talking about. They just changed the subject to basketball.

Ah, good. Go Huskies!

Dodgers wrote:That being said, you can't root for a school and not root for it in all sports imo. Classic bandwagoneering if you're rooting for the Huskies in football but not in basketball. Weak shit.

I'm rooting for ALL the Big East teams in their Bowl games.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:47 pm

For what reason? The payout doesn't change based on a win or loss last I checked...

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:17 pm

Because Bren knows everything about college sports now that he's been attending a Big East school. See the past few pages of this thread

Orioles · Post by **Orioles** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:29 pm

Dodgers wrote:Because that's what we were talking about. They just changed the subject to basketball.

That being said, you can't root for a school and not root for it in all sports imo. Classic bandwagoneering if you're rooting for the Huskies in football but not in basketball. Weak shit.

If Georgetown had a D-I football team, I'd root for them along with the hoops team. But since they are a lower-tier Patriot League team that gets wrecked by Fordham, I root for UConn football. I grew up a UConn basketball fan and I still like to see them succeed, but you gotta go for your school - so Go HOYAS.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:56 pm

Dodgers wrote:For what reason? The payout doesn't change based on a win or loss last I checked...

1. Barring the involvement of a team I have a reason to dislike, I typically root for a team from the AL or AFC in the World Series or Superbowl. The same applies to college Bowl games. Louisville would be a different story (maybe).
2. Big East teams doing well reflects well on ALL Big East teams.

How are either of those difficult concepts to grasp?

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:10 pm

If your conference wins bowl games it influences the perception of that conference, which in turn attracts better recruits and leads to higher preseason rankings, which sadly are still more important than just about anything else. Hence, it is in the best interests of your team if all the other teams in the conference win their bowl games.