New GMs/Minidraft Stuff

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:41 am

k, i quit unless everybody here gives me their two best players? And lets me be whatever team I want? Sound good??

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 10:56 am

First off - early this morning I wrote a lengthy post on this subject. Either I mistakenly did not post it or someone removed it. Regardless I have reached a decision.

I have decided to vote to not reinstate Josh in spite of the fact that I can find no evidence that his suspension/expulsion was deemed to be permanent or forever. In fact, recently Bren wrote that Josh would be "5th on the list" which indicates a less then permanent situation.

Nevertheless, as I have mulled this issue over considerably and read everything I could find in this league and another league related to Josh - my decision is ultimately based on admittedly twisted logic. We are attempting to fill the league with good knowledgeable hard working GMs who genuinely care about the IBC. Josh appears to be knowledgeable and apparently is willing to work hard - but I don't know that he really cares about the IBC.

Bren meets all three criteria and I do not believe it is in the best interests of the IBC to bring in a GM who meets two of three criteria (maybe three but I am not sure) and possibly/probably lose a GM who meets all three ... ironic that the very behavior Bren accuses Josh of being guilty is a factor in my decision making process - but it doesn't apply to just Josh. Even if Bren were to "physically" remain with the IBC but withdraw further from it in other ways, the IBC would not be a better league.

This is not to say that IBC will not survive when and if Bren decides to leave ... rather it is simply a decision and subsequently a vote based on the present circumstances and what I perceive to be in the best interests of the IBC now and for the next year or so ...

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:21 pm

this zach claudio kid is ok with me.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:18 pm

I was joking when I said Josh was 5th on the list, I didn't believe anyone would seriously suggest bringing him back.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:30 am

Astros wrote:this zach claudio kid is ok with me.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:29 am

I was originally going to attempt to get drafting up and going in time for these fellas to use OOPSS to minidraft, however I don't think that's going to be feasible, so let's get this Claudio kid in and let them do their thing.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 5:57 pm

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:03 pm

What the heck guys, we didn't even get to vote?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:11 pm

Do we need a vote? We've got three candidates for three spots, unless you count that second guy Jagger recommended that you recommended against. Your word on him is good enough for me.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:14 pm

It's just a matter of process. I know ZERO about this Zach kid. And you guys made a big deal about how we had so much better options than the guys you ramrodded out.

Now, since we had one bad candidate and want to get a precious minidraft going we take someone without giving half the exco any info on him or say whatsoever?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:27 pm

He has no Sim experience, been doing roto for years and has been looking for something more in-depth for a while. He's a college student at UMass and from my brief conversations with him he's been very enthusiastic and excited about getting on board.
His AIM is zclaudio86 shoot him a message

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 6:46 pm

Well, the cat's kind of already out of the bag.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:00 pm

I'm down for a vote, I was unaware he had no sim experience.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:13 pm

I have no problem saying "Sorry, change of plans" if the group decisionis to not bring him in.

As far as experience goes, it's nice, but I'd rather have someone with enthusiasm who isn't tied up with 2 or 3 other sim leagues already. Your first priority is going to be the one you've got the best team in 9which won't be this one) or the one you're been in longest. With Newbies, we get them as (pardon the phrase) virgins to the Sim world and people have a tendency to stick with the situation where they got their first experience.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 7:35 pm

I'm not discouraged by his lack of experience in sim. We just need to vote or at least observe four 'yay' indications before unilaterally inviting people.

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 8:34 pm

Tigers wrote:I'm not discouraged by his lack of experience in sim. We just need to vote or at least observe four 'yay' indications before unilaterally inviting people.

I am in concurrance with Brett ... no SIM experience does not kill Zach for me. The best GMs in this league fit that criteria at some point in the past. It would be nice and is only appropriate that there should have been some sort of discussion leading to an agreement on Zach's invite before the invite occurred.

You can consider this an "okay" from me -- but you should also consider this a request for consistency. It is ironic, at best that, the invite occurred in this manner when a "vote" on another GM candidate was still rather fresh.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 10:56 pm

I think definitely with sim newbies we should try to keep them in touch with at least 1-2 gms just where they can ask questions they have about the sim without getting ridiculed for asking them, and also watching to make sure they don't do something stupid because they don't fully understand.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:06 pm

Shawn you were a sim newbie even after the Yankee stadium trip when you traded me Borowski (was that Clemens' #300W/4000K game? I think so.)

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:09 pm

Dodgers wrote:I think definitely with sim newbies we should try to keep them in touch with at least 1-2 gms just where they can ask questions they have about the sim without getting ridiculed for asking them, and also watching to make sure they don't do something stupid because they don't fully understand.

That would be a good idea ... I had a lot of questions when I came in and Brett Z and JP took the time to try to help me out.

Kelly will undoubtedly chat with JT just as I presume Jake L. initially kept in touch with JP. Who introduced us to Zach?

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:14 am

apparently Seth, who I for one barely know

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:33 am

Astros wrote:Shawn you were a sim newbie even after the Yankee stadium trip when you traded me Borowski (was that Clemens' #300W/4000K game? I think so.)

Yes, but I'm also a quick learner, smart and have plenty of time on my hands (not to blow my own horn here). Imagine some of the guys we've seen come and go trying to figure this shit out that fast (Bobby, Adams come to mind as guys who really never seemed to totally get it).

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:20 am

dont disagree here.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 1:37 am

Dodgers wrote:
Astros wrote:Shawn you were a sim newbie even after the Yankee stadium trip when you traded me Borowski (was that Clemens' #300W/4000K game? I think so.)
Yes, but I'm also a quick learner, smart and have plenty of time on my hands (not to blow my own horn here). Imagine some of the guys we've seen come and go trying to figure this shit out that fast (Bobby, Adams come to mind as guys who really never seemed to totally get it).

Yeah, that's why we need to all six (or at least five) of us get a feel for each guy to get an idea, regardless of whether they have sim experience or whatever, if they are smart and level-headed or a Bobby/Justin. When I saw that email go out without knowing one thing about Zach the thought "oh no, what if we just let another Bobby into the league?" flashed through my head.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:37 am

Uh, how many of us talked to the guy JP brought in? I didn't. I don't think JP even gave me his AIM.
We can sit here and discuss/debate it, or we can get the minidraft rolling. A five minute conversation isn't going to really tell you what we need to know about a new GM.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Wed Aug 15, 2007 8:54 am

Okay Bren I'll cut you a deal...if ZClaudio is a Bobby, Josh replaces him? Willing to put your money where your mouth is?

Hehehe

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