2014 NFL Playoffs - Conference Championships!

BlueJays · Post by **BlueJays** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:43 am

Padres wrote:
Cardinals wrote:You realize that Peyton has had the lead with under a minute to go 4 times and his team has lost. Not his fault Colts special teams don't tackle Cromartie til midfield in 2010 or that Rahim Moore forgets how to play safety last year.
Uh huh. If I had a nickle for every time I heard a Peyton Manning loss blamed on everyone but Peyton Manning...

Obviously, Peyton Manning is the all-time record holder fore one-and-dones with eight.

What genuinely shocked me is that the second most one-and-dones is held by a many way tie of players including Steve Young, Joe Montana, Warren Moon and a few others. They all had four, only half as many as Manning. There's a reason Peyton Manning is viewed as a playoff choker. When you get bounced out of the playoffs on the first try 8 of 13 times and nobody else has ever done that more than 4 times, that's pretty terrible.

Gotta get there that many times to be able to do that too

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 1:44 pm

Orioles wrote:
Padres wrote:
Cardinals wrote:You realize that Peyton has had the lead with under a minute to go 4 times and his team has lost. Not his fault Colts special teams don't tackle Cromartie til midfield in 2010 or that Rahim Moore forgets how to play safety last year.
Uh huh. If I had a nickle for every time I heard a Peyton Manning loss blamed on everyone but Peyton Manning...

Obviously, Peyton Manning is the all-time record holder fore one-and-dones with eight.

What genuinely shocked me is that the second most one-and-dones is held by a many way tie of players including Steve Young, Joe Montana, Warren Moon and a few others. They all had four, only half as many as Manning. There's a reason Peyton Manning is viewed as a playoff choker. When you get bounced out of the playoffs on the first try 8 of 13 times and nobody else has ever done that more than 4 times, that's pretty terrible.
Gotta get there that many times to be able to do that too

Yup, 13 times for Manning. Favre got to the playoffs 12 times, only 3 one-and-dones. Montana 11 times, Brady 12 times, Young 11 times.. Manning is up there on qualifying (most ever in fact, with Brady right on his heels), but nobody else comes close on quick bounces.
Brilliant regular season QB, not a brilliant playoff QB.

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 3:58 pm

You realize that Brady and Manning have almost identical playoff stats right? But Brady had a great defense and the best kicker of all time during his formative years when he got most of his playoff wins, not to mention film of the other teams practices

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:31 pm

There are so many different factors that go into a game that I don't think its really fair to blame all the losses on one person, and credit all the wins to another. Has Manning single handedly cost his team some playoff games, absolutely, and has brady single handedly won a lot of his playoff games, absolutely. But at the end of the day so much comes down to defense, special teams, game planning etc. which is what makes football so exciting and why anything can happen on any given week.

This argument will always come down to who is biased to who, you can come up with any stat that is going to say either QB is better than the other, who the fuck cares, we get to see the two best QB's of our generation go head to head in the AFC championship game, doesn't get much better than that.

Phillies · Post by **Phillies** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:32 pm

Cardinals wrote:not to mention film of the other teams practices

I've been waiting for this...

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:49 pm

Cardinals wrote:Brady had a great defense

For several years Peyton Manning took up 20% of the Colts salary cap, as far as I can tell (extrapolating from Patscap.com, a guy posting Sportrac data, and an NFL press release about historical salary caps) Brady was never more than 13%, that makes a pretty big difference in terms of the quality of surrounding players. Say what you will (and Gisele's salary certainly helps Brady), but Manning sought to maximize his personal wealth at the expense of his team's flexibility to put a champion around him. That matters, as the 49ers and Seahawks are about to find out when Kap and Wilson come off of their rookie contracts.

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:51 pm

Look at the ravens, they gave flacco all that money, couldnt resign anyone and they sucked so much this year.

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 5:13 pm

This thread is going to become entertaining as hell if/when the Broncos beat the Pats.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:21 pm

Cardinals wrote:You realize that Brady and Manning have almost identical playoff stats right? But Brady had a great defense and the best kicker of all time during his formative years when he got most of his playoff wins, not to mention film of the other teams practices

Aside from the salary issue that Jake so astutely pointed out (gonna tell us how that's not Peyton's fault), Brady still has only gone one and done in the playoffs twice. Manning did it just last year in Denver, a team that was built specifically to attract him.

Nearly identical playoff stats?
Brady 17-7; Manning 10-11
Manning 21 playoff games, 22 INT, 34 TD
Brady 25 playoff games, 22 INT, 42 TD Better TD rate, better TD/INT ratio and Brady has traditionally had worse offensive weapons around him than Manning has. Fond as I am of Troy Brown and Deion Branch, they're nothing special as WR.

As for Spygate, *yawn*. Try some facts on for a change. Filming hand signals was and is perfectly legal, the only thing that was against the rules was WHERE it was filmed from (the sidelines), which was a rule enacted before that season. The sports media made it into a far bigger deal than it actually was because New York was involved (and anything involving NY has to be a big deal) and NE was involved and they were (and are) the best team around.

Fond as I am of Vinatieri, who I have no beef calling the best kicker of all time, if you've got to get down to talking about the kicker to diss Brady and talk about crutches, you're REALLY reaching. You know he sure as heck wasn't getting propped up by his receivers or running game.

As Jake L said, there is a lot more to winning a game than just the QB. But if you're going to shovel all the credit onto the QB, as many fans, especially Manning fans, tend to do, then the QB gets the blame for the losses. Manning put together brilliant regular seasons and typically capped them out with a quick bow and exit stage left in the playoffs, more than any other QB has ever done.

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:21 pm

Rockies wrote:There are so many different factors that go into a game that I don't think its really fair to blame all the losses on one person, and credit all the wins to another. Has Manning single handedly cost his team some playoff games, absolutely, and has brady single handedly won a lot of his playoff games, absolutely. But at the end of the day so much comes down to defense, special teams, game planning etc. which is what makes football so exciting and why anything can happen on any given week.

This argument will always come down to who is biased to who, you can come up with any stat that is going to say either QB is better than the other, who the fuck cares, we get to see the two best QB's of our generation go head to head in the AFC championship game, doesn't get much better than that.

Speaking of luck, if the Tuck Rule doesn't happen and the Pats rightfully lose to the Raiders as they should have in 2001, is Brady even the QB the next year?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:42 pm

Cardinals wrote:
Rockies wrote:There are so many different factors that go into a game that I don't think its really fair to blame all the losses on one person, and credit all the wins to another. Has Manning single handedly cost his team some playoff games, absolutely, and has brady single handedly won a lot of his playoff games, absolutely. But at the end of the day so much comes down to defense, special teams, game planning etc. which is what makes football so exciting and why anything can happen on any given week.

This argument will always come down to who is biased to who, you can come up with any stat that is going to say either QB is better than the other, who the fuck cares, we get to see the two best QB's of our generation go head to head in the AFC championship game, doesn't get much better than that.
Speaking of luck, if the Tuck Rule doesn't happen and the Pats rightfully lose to the Raiders as they should have in 2001, is Brady even the QB the next year?

The Tuck Rule was the right call at the time. of course, everyone forgets the patriots still had to finish the drive and Oakland didn't do a darned thing to stop them.
I'm going to pretend you didn't ask that second part, because only someone with no knowledge of football and too profoundly stupid to even function a keyboard would even consider asking it. I mean, anyone THAT dumb would have been calling for Manning to be replaced after he went one-and-done on his first three trips to the playoffs with 1TD and 2 INTS in three games. Which actually, would have been more sensible.
But you're not that stupid Aaron, right?

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 6:49 pm

If you've got a QB that has been the face of your franchise for what, 8 years? I don't remember the year Bledsoe went #1, I'm thinking 1993. Anyways, he's hurt, young QB who at the time, was a game manager, leads you to the playoffs and you lose your first game with home field. You think there isn't a QB controversy there when Bledsoe is healthy the next year? Are you going to go with a proven commodity or a guy that may have been a fluke? For all we know at the time Brady is the new Vince Faragammo

Pirates · Post by **Pirates** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:53 pm

You know how many guys catch the lucky break and just run with it? It's not called being Wally pipp'd for nothing.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Jan 16, 2014 8:59 pm

Cardinals wrote:If you've got a QB that has been the face of your franchise for what, 8 years? I don't remember the year Bledsoe went #1, I'm thinking 1993. Anyways, he's hurt, young QB who at the time, was a game manager, leads you to the playoffs and you lose your first game with home field. You think there isn't a QB controversy there when Bledsoe is healthy the next year? Are you going to go with a proven commodity or a guy that may have been a fluke? For all we know at the time Brady is the new Vince Faragammo

yeah, and if I had wheels, I'd be a wagon

Brewers · Post by **Brewers** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:29 am

Tuck rule game or not. I don't recall many people calling for Bledsoe to come back up to or after the Raiders game. We New Englanders had had our fill of watching Bledsoe hold on to the ball a second too long and then get gang tackled like a Wildebeest being attacked by lions.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:24 am

Brewers wrote:Tuck rule game or not. I don't recall many people calling for Bledsoe to come back up to or after the Raiders game. We New Englanders had had our fill of watching Bledsoe hold on to the ball a second too long and then get gang tackled like a Wildebeest being attacked by lions.

Bingo. Bledsoe had led the pats to a Super Bowl before. yet when he was healthy, there was no appearance of any question of who was starting the next game. I know Breaking Bad was a popular show, but lay off the meth Aaron, there was no QB controversy and there wasn't going to be one. Not in Foxboro.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 6:48 pm

Padres wrote:
Brewers wrote:Tuck rule game or not. I don't recall many people calling for Bledsoe to come back up to or after the Raiders game. We New Englanders had had our fill of watching Bledsoe hold on to the ball a second too long and then get gang tackled like a Wildebeest being attacked by lions.
Bingo. Bledsoe had led the pats to a Super Bowl before. yet when he was healthy, there was no appearance of any question of who was starting the next game. I know Breaking Bad was a popular show, but lay off the meth Aaron, there was no QB controversy and there wasn't going to be one. Not in Foxboro.

Because whether or not Breaking Bad is popular determines why people use meth now? I wish someone would have told AMC that before the show was greenlit, so many lives could have been saved...

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Fri Jan 17, 2014 8:42 pm

Athletics wrote:
Padres wrote:
Brewers wrote:Tuck rule game or not. I don't recall many people calling for Bledsoe to come back up to or after the Raiders game. We New Englanders had had our fill of watching Bledsoe hold on to the ball a second too long and then get gang tackled like a Wildebeest being attacked by lions.
Bingo. Bledsoe had led the pats to a Super Bowl before. yet when he was healthy, there was no appearance of any question of who was starting the next game. I know Breaking Bad was a popular show, but lay off the meth Aaron, there was no QB controversy and there wasn't going to be one. Not in Foxboro.
Because whether or not Breaking Bad is popular determines why people use meth now? I wish someone would have told AMC that before the show was greenlit, so many lives could have been saved...

And teeth.

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:30 pm

Awful quiet in here............

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:11 pm

I think it would be fair to say that the game was over when Talib went down.

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:05 pm

Brady missed a lot of open deep balls today.

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Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Sun Jan 19, 2014 11:40 pm

There you have it.

Seahawks versus Broncos in the Super Bowl. Great match up.

That hawks 49ers game was crazy! My ears are still ringing. Came down to one play, as expected. Hawks made the play, but it easily could have gone the other way. Great game!

Athletics · Post by **Athletics** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:28 am

Happy for the Broncos...since I hate Bill B and Brady.

As for the 49ers, Kap screwed up...but fuck Seattle, fuck Sherman, and fuck the refs.

Should have been a fumble (obviously the rules allowing for a replay there are at fault), it was redeemed on the next play...at the cost of Bowman for a year of rehab now. But more for a few other missed calls like the grounding and roughing the kicker.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:04 am

Ugh.
On the down side, either Peyton manning or douchebag Carroll is going to win a SB. On the up side, either Peyton Manning or Pete Carroll is going to lose a SB. Still don't know who I'd root for. Probably Carroll as Broncos fans are as big a pile of hypocrites as any I've seen.
On the unconditional plus side, SB Sunday has always been a good skiing day, this year the slopes should be especially clear.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:08 am

Athletics wrote:I think it would be fair to say that the game was over when Talib went down.

Yup.
The Pat's offense hadn't looked too hot, but the D was doing okay. The change in the defense after that was noticeable. That was also when me and the other Pats fans at the local brewery (all four of us) started ordering stronger beers.

Oh well, there's always next year, and at least we had the '13 Sox. I'll take a WS over a SB.