Additional DL penalties

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:58 am

The ExCo has decided to add an additional DL penalty to prevent teams from tanking for a better draft pick. From now on, any DL violation after the 3rd penalty will result in the suspension of the player, but you will also drop one spot in every round of the draft for each penalty beyond the 3rd.

Guardians · Post by **Guardians** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 1:28 pm

Thank you, ExCo for putting in place a meaningful DL violation penalty. Much appreciated.

Reds · Post by **Reds** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:24 pm

Tigers wrote:Thank you, ExCo for putting in place a meaningful DL violation penalty. Much appreciated.

Ditto!!!

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 4:34 pm

Will this apply to a pick that has been traded to another team?

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 5:13 pm

Yes, since the point of the penalty is to negate the value of the player. When you trade a player with a violation, the penalty carries to the new team as well.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 8:16 pm

I meant the pick, as in say you traded for my 1st rounder, and after you had my pick I started DL violating like crazy, would that pick drop for you?

DBacks · Post by **DBacks** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:07 pm

Are these rules retroactive or is it three starting from now?

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Sat Jun 15, 2013 11:44 pm

Starting from now

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:56 am

Jake's point is an important one, as we'd be penalizing the GM who traded for a pick rather than the GM who was violating the DL offense.

I'd recommend that once a pick has been traded then it is no longer impacted by any additional DL violations by the previous GM. If there were penalties prior to the trade that impacted the pick's draft slot then those would travel with a traded pick and if the new owner commits DL violations sufficient to impose the penalty, then they lose a draft spot from their highest pick that they own at he time, as well. But violations committed by a GM after they trade a pick should only impact their currently owned picks.

Just my 2 cents.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 5:45 pm

Agree with Ropers.

Padres · Post by **Padres** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:56 pm

Mariners wrote:I'd recommend that once a pick has been traded then it is no longer impacted by any additional DL violations by the previous GM. If there were penalties prior to the trade that impacted the pick's draft slot then those would travel with a traded pick and if the new owner commits DL violations sufficient to impose the penalty, then they lose a draft spot from their highest pick that they own at he time, as well. But violations committed by a GM after they trade a pick should only impact their currently owned picks.

Makes perfect sense and is consistent with the intent of the rule discussed within Exec Comm.

Guardians · Post by **Guardians** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:35 pm

WhiteSox wrote:
Mariners wrote:I'd recommend that once a pick has been traded then it is no longer impacted by any additional DL violations by the previous GM. If there were penalties prior to the trade that impacted the pick's draft slot then those would travel with a traded pick and if the new owner commits DL violations sufficient to impose the penalty, then they lose a draft spot from their highest pick that they own at he time, as well. But violations committed by a GM after they trade a pick should only impact their currently owned picks.
Makes perfect sense and is consistent with the intent of the rule discussed within Exec Comm.

My question: I agree that if a violator deals a pick, that pick shouldn't be subjected to penalty, but what about the violator's picks? If I violate and deal my 1st rounder in a trade and get back a 2nd rounder and keep the rest of my picks, shouldn't both my 2nds, 3rd, 4th and 5th all be bumped back a spot based on the rule?

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:00 pm

All of your picks, round 1-5, are moved back

Guardians · Post by **Guardians** » Sun Jun 16, 2013 9:13 pm

Cardinals wrote:All of your picks, round 1-5, are moved back

Good

Rockies · Post by **Rockies** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:02 am

Maybe its just me, but I'm not sure how this prevents someone from tanking the season.

I just see it as a means to make sure people aren't playing DLd players.

But if I want to get a good draft pick, and start my bench every game, I can still do that and tank.

Guardians · Post by **Guardians** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:21 am

Astros wrote:Maybe its just me, but I'm not sure how this prevents someone from tanking the season.

I just see it as a means to make sure people aren't playing DLd players.

But if I want to get a good draft pick, and start my bench every game, I can still do that and tank.

I think it's as much a deterrent to non-playoff teams not keeping track of their rosters and adversely affecting the playoffs with injured players as it is for non-playoff teams tanking...

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Mon Jun 17, 2013 12:06 pm

Astros wrote:Maybe its just me, but I'm not sure how this prevents someone from tanking the season.

I just see it as a means to make sure people aren't playing DLd players.

But if I want to get a good draft pick, and start my bench every game, I can still do that and tank.

It's for teams who don't care about winning. A DL penalty to a good player is not a deterrent, it's something that actually helps that team receive a better draft choice.

Rockies · Post by **Rockies** » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:15 am

I get that, but my point is there are still ways to tank. Tanking should be frowned upon in all forms.