Trades

WhiteSox · Post by **WhiteSox** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:34 pm

The Pujols deal was basically Andruw Jones and Jeremy Bonderman for Pujols if I recall.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:17 am

Listen - You guys can blow smoke about Kennedy as much as you want, but please give me a stat that shows why his future success isn't necessarily assured.

That's all I'm asking - just one stat...

Orioles · Post by **Orioles** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:25 am

First of all, no matter how good the minor league numbers, you can never say a pitcher's MLB success is "assured." Have a look at Jason Vargas's minor league numbers, and then where his career went. For me, with Kennedy, it's more about his stuff limiting his ceiling than him being unsuccessful. I think he'll be a successful middle of the rotation starter, but you can count on one hand guys with stuff as limited as his who are true front-of-the-rotation pitchers.

Orioles · Post by **Orioles** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:27 am

Also, it's especially difficult to say that a guy with 9 starts above AA is "assured" of anything.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:42 am

That's a fair point, and a fair analysis.

I disagree.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:38 pm

Orioles trade 
Jonny Gomes, Brandon Lyon, , , , , , to RedSox for 
Aaron 5-Cunningham, Ambiorix Burgos, , , , , ,

Mediocrity has a new name: This Trade! Bren picks up a useful hitter, and an eh bp guy, O's picks up a nice arm, and a good prospect. No one loses - except me, who decided to write about this trade.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:42 pm

Cubs trade 
Luis Castillo, Alfonso Soriano, Carlos Silva, Angel Guzman, Edgar Gonzalez, , , to Indians for 
Collin 0-Balester, Jair Jurrjens, John Danks, J.J. Hardy, Jeff Kent, , ,

And the winner for vastly changing the character of every team involved in one deal is - I'd just like to say that you all look fantastic tonight, and, really, every GM nominated deserves to win this award - the Cubs and Indians!

Gabe: Three nice young arms, a solid young shortstop, and Jeff Kent...

Indians (sorry, no clue what your name is yet): The best player in the deal, a useful 2b, a fair end of rotation starter and two arms with modest upside...

Honestly - it's a pretty good trade for both sides - and I commend Gabe for retooling through youth. Apparently he found the antidote for "Stocking your Team with 35 year Old Players" Syndrome.

I'm proud of both of you guys - B+ for you both...

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:49 pm

Tigers trade 
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Zack Greinke, , , , , , to Giants for 
Matt Holliday, Brandon McCarthy, , , , , ,

And the award for my least favorite trade of the off-season - on multiple levels - I just want to say that none of the nominees look good tonight, and that I hate you both - Brett P. and Nils!

I'm not sure on what planet getting a good hitting prospect w/ some questions about positions and success, and a talented young pitcher who has a history of leaving the sport for long periods of time nets you one of the best 3-4 young hitters in the game AND a talented young arm who really turned his season around in the second half - but I would not like to live there.

Levels of why I hate this trade:
1) Brett P. wins this deal, talent-wise, solidly
2) Brett P. wins this deal, character-wise, I'm not going to throw away my career cuz I'm an idiot, in a land-slide
3) Brett P. is in my goddamn division and his 3-4-5 is now Cabrera-Fielder-Holliday, or in whatever hellish combination he wants to put them in
4) Brett P. just set Nils back at least one year - perhaps permanently if Salty is the hitter he was when he got to Texas, and Greinke flakes out again (which people say is quite likely).
5) If this deal works out perfectly for Nils, he still probably loses...
6) Brett P. is in my division - I'm allowed to use that one twice

DBacks · Post by **DBacks** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:56 pm

I appreciate the support, though I would like to note one thing. A common misconception about my team is that it is old. Even before this deal, the average age of my lineup and rotation was 29 years old. Maybe not as young as some of the league's prospect hounds, but not at all old. And that average actually gets younger if you include the bench and bullpen.

Athletics · Post by **Athletics** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:02 pm

My rotation age is averged to 21.2

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:04 pm

BlueJays wrote:
Pirates wrote:
BlueJays wrote:After he got raped for Pujols by JB, I don't understand why he'd ever deal with him again.
Merrill is the one that dealt Pujols to JB.
My age is getting to me. Merrill took him for Helton and something. Then he traded Helton to Bren for Brandon McCarthy. Talk about a negative return.

I had Brandon McCarthy?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:06 pm

RedSox Will 5-Inman p Traded to Brewers Feb 6, 1:40 pm
RedSox Chris Ray MR Traded to Brewers Feb 6, 1:40 pm
RedSox Elijah Dukes LF Traded to Brewers Feb 6, 1:40 pm
Brewers Garrett Olson SP Traded to RedSox Feb 6, 1:40 pm
Brewers Chad 6-Rodgers P Traded to RedSox Feb 6, 1:40 pm
Brewers Todd Helton 1B Traded to RedSox

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:07 pm

Angels wrote:My rotation age is averged to 21.2

Funny, isn't that how many games you'll be back at the all-star break too?

Had to do it...

Athletics · Post by **Athletics** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:10 pm

I walked right into that.

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:21 pm

Royals wrote:
Tigers trade 
Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Zack Greinke, , , , , , to Giants for 
Matt Holliday, Brandon McCarthy, , , , , ,
And the award for my least favorite trade of the off-season - on multiple levels - I just want to say that none of the nominees look good tonight, and that I hate you both - Brett P. and Nils!

I'm not sure on what planet getting a good hitting prospect w/ some questions about positions and success, and a talented young pitcher who has a history of leaving the sport for long periods of time nets you one of the best 3-4 young hitters in the game AND a talented young arm who really turned his season around in the second half - but I would not like to live there.

Levels of why I hate this trade:
1) Brett P. wins this deal, talent-wise, solidly
2) Brett P. wins this deal, character-wise, I'm not going to throw away my career cuz I'm an idiot, in a land-slide
3) Brett P. is in my goddamn division and his 3-4-5 is now Cabrera-Fielder-Holliday, or in whatever hellish combination he wants to put them in
4) Brett P. just set Nils back at least one year - perhaps permanently if Salty is the hitter he was when he got to Texas, and Greinke flakes out again (which people say is quite likely).
5) If this deal works out perfectly for Nils, he still probably loses...
6) Brett P. is in my division - I'm allowed to use that one twice

Don't know if I'm happy or sad about this trade. Yes, getting Holliday out of the NL West is a small victory for the other teams in the division, but Greinke should be good for 12-14 wins with a favorable projection, and Salty get the benefit of the doubt from DMB in next years projection.

The NL West will be highly competitive, but also very winable for all of teams there.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:58 pm

Nationals trade 
Josh Fields, Kyle Lohse, , , , , , to Cubs for 
Eric Chavez, Bronson Arroyo, Juan Uribe, , , , ,

Interesting deal - Gabe's taking a few gambles here - gambling that Chavez and Arroyo are on the decline (I'm not convinced on either), and that the holes in Fields' swing won't be figured out across the next few years. Uribe's clearly a toss-in, but this is a trade that looks even on paper - but could swing dramatically one way or the other within the next year.

On another note - I am of the opinion that people are no beginning to be scared to trade because of my posts. I take that as a compliment - if I'm wrong, PROVE me wrong. Make some trades!

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:16 pm

RedSox trade 
2007 Draft, Pick 114, Kevin Millwood, Carlos Lee, , , , , to Rangers for 
2007 Draft, Pick 13, Elijah Dukes, Andy LaRoche, , , , ,

I guess Bren REALLY wants prospects - because he picked up two real iffy ones (Dukes, #13) and one solid one w/ a tendency to strikeout (LaRoche) for a solid starter, a whatever pick, and an outstanding professional hitter in Lee. Bren's lineup definitely takes a big hit up front, and, unless Dukes turns it around, it's another questionable deal for the commish.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 6:40 pm

Now, there's a lot of opinion in there I could agree or disagree with, but saying Laroche has a tendency to strikeout is more than a bit unfair. He's had solid k/bb and k/ab rates throughout the minors, he certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt on 93 AB's before saying he's got ' a tendency to strikeout'.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 7:56 pm

Actually, this is my blog - I can say whatever the hell I want. If I choose to notice that Senor LaRoche struck out more then once in four plate appearances, then I'm pretty sure I can.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:51 pm

ha ha, you certainly can, but in making that observation, you're also ignoring that such a ratio is a small sample size (just over a month's worth) that's out of line with his career numbers.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:53 pm

I thought that, big picture, this was a great trade for Bren. His lineup obviously takes a hit in the immediate, but that appears to be something that he's willing to take this year, a temporary step back in his lineup. Lee is an excellent hitter but he provides no defensive value, like my guy Cabrera he's basically a DH. Bren added two hitters that I like quite a bit, along with a pick that, if used properly, provides him with trade ammo when he's looking to upgrade his roster next spring/summer or whenever.

Miscellaneous stat:

Dukes BA: .190, Dukes OPS: 709
Vernon Wells BA: .245, Wells OPS: 706
Delmon Young BA: .288, Young OPS: 723

Dukes is going to be a really nice player...if people will let him keep playing baseball indefinitely.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:11 am

I don't think the issue is people letting Dukes play, teams will always give players additional chances (see Josh Hamilton). The big issue is whether he stays out of jail or not.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:17 am

RedSox wrote:I don't think the issue is people letting Dukes play, teams will always give players additional chances (see Josh Hamilton). The big issue is whether he stays out of jail or not.

Well first of all, I consider staying out of jail as part of people allowing you to play (in this case, people=the law). But he is such a horrible guy that I can actually see him not get infinite chances just because he's good. He's way worse than Milton Bradley or Carl Everett or the like. Also, he is crazy enough to just quit, as he's almost done a few times.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:25 am

I think if he was going to quit, he wouldn't be in the DSL right ow. This past season is about as bad a season as I can recall him having as far as off the field issues.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:15 pm

RedSox wrote:I think if he was going to quit, he wouldn't be in the DSL right ow. This past season is about as bad a season as I can recall him having as far as off the field issues.

Just admit it. You're attracted to nut jobs.