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From the latest post (viewtopic.php?p=50138#50138):

Nils also guaranteed to lose enough games to ensure his first round pick I own would move down one spot before the draft. Win-win.

Pat is generally full of shit but it is something worth looking into

I can't believe that these guys are dumb enough to admit publicly that they are colluding but stuff like this and the Addison Russell/division swap thing are actually very serious, I agree.

It's impossible to completely stop this kind of thing if they're smart about it, but I think that we need to do something that at least penalizes/scares people enough that they're not announcing their collusion on the freaking message board.

Twins wrote:From the latest post (viewtopic.php?p=50138#50138):

Nils also guaranteed to lose enough games to ensure his first round pick I own would move down one spot before the draft. Win-win.

Move the pick to the end of the 1st round ...

There we go, I like Jim's solution

If we're going to penalize, I think that Nils should be penalized as well. I was thinking something like that Giants pick and any that Nils still owns moving to something like the #15 slot, but that's a little light for Nils since he only has his own 3rd rounder.

Look, I know I'm the one who started this mess, but I've been thinking on it a bit...there needs to be proof that SF is actually throwing the games. If he's playing h2h, the proof is harder to find but if he's submitting a new manager profile that is significantly degraded from his normal lineup, well then we have the figurative smoking gun. Otherwise, if we're dealing with a GM just hoping to lose games, there's nothing that we can really penalize there (see Zalaski, Brett).

Last time he sent a roster was Sept. 5.

I was thinking the same thing as Andrew and based on his results of late I don't see any proof here. Has he had any players activated from DL that he hasn't used?

I think I disagree that someone who says in trade negotiations that they're going to tank actually has to tank to have done anything wrong. I guess that goes back to the Black Sox quandary.

I certainly don't feel strongly that anything needs to happen here and like Andrew said at the beginning, I'm sure that Pat just thinks he's being funny.

I just generally think that we need to be more careful about openly talking about collusion. Guys actually colluding or even some guys believing that other guys collude is just about the easiest way to ruin a league. Just think back to the Bren days and the stupid back room stuff.

I agree with Brett on the general principle of the matter...one of the league's strengths is that we are, for the most part, a league on the up-and-up (shocking after the 2002 season). I also don't think we can punish either of these two guys for being stupid and jesting inappropriately. Perhaps a general fatwa from us about this sort of behavior is necessary? Or inclusion in the long-rumored/threatened/considered/procrastinated rules update?

At the very least we probably need to make a statement about the team switch and now this that we're concerned about a slippery slope, etc etc. At the end of the day I like to think that we're all gentlemen enough to not pull bullshit like that but obviously this has proven to be false in the past.