IBC

Basically there's some debate going on between the ExCo's on an idea that I had and I'd like to get some league input.

Basically, we have 9 teams either in the playoffs or fighting for a playoff spot and 21 teams lollygagging around until November and then the draft, with three new GM's and 5? or 4 that will be entering their first draft this winter.

Since this is basically the least active Sept/Oct that we are going to see, I thought of this idea:

We allow trades to occur in September and October as usual. The difference? They are NOT implemented into the database for the 2007 season and ONLY on the OOPSS system. We have a distinct way to seperate DMB from actual rosters now and this is a perfect system for this.

a few FAQ on this:

"But why? What's the point? Can't you wait 6-8 weeks to trade?"

I can. It's not even me on this one really. I'm bored with my team and want to make moves, yes, but that's how I always am. It's a few other GM's here as well which is why I'm posting about this. The minor league seasons are basically over and theres nothing to scout and scour anymore. The IBC season is boring for us. Gentlemans agreements are always destroyed and when they are, it's usually ugly. So this gives us an official means to trade.

"OK, But then what the hell is the point of the trading deadline?"

Well, the point of the 8/31 deadline is that you can't add or subtract for your roster via trades for the 2007 season. You can't sell Hiram Bocachica, sim stud, for anything at this time. Richie Sexson could have fetched me a decent prospect a month ago, but now he'll fetch me nothing. If I trade dhim to say, Aaron tomorrow under my proposal, then he still wouldn't have him until the winter time on DMB and wouldn't be using him. He is locked in for his roster on the OOPSS except for adds/drops (which post 9/1 ones are ineligible for the playoffs anyway.)


"This is a great idea. Why didn't somebody think of this sooner?"

Because none of you are John Paul Starkey.

"You're an asshole. This is the dumbest idea ever. How dare you want to spark more activity into the league?"

Well, screw you too homie.

Additionally, I bring up the newbies for a reason here.

They are new to the league, well three of them, and by the time they can trade again, we'll have had draft pick trading fully functional. This allows them to get their feet wet in trading since they came in right around/after the deadline and avoids a mad dash for their draft picks. It gets them used to the climate of IBC trading.

AS I've mentioned to JP, I don't have a problem with this idea, I just think it should not be implemented until next season. I don't think any rule changes should be enacted mid-season that effect that season unless there is some new, pressing problem. The Sept/Oct slowdown is not new and it's not pressing. I personally like to use the opportunity to do draft research.

While it's not new, you do pretty much have an all time high in teams not invested in Sept. at all (21).

"You're an asshole. This is the dumbest idea ever. How dare you want to spark more activity into the league?"

I'm not totally opposed to it, I just wanted to call JP an asshole. If it could be done without being too confusing or too much work for anyone I guess it could work. I agree with Bren though that it shouldn't go into effect until next season.

I think it's a good idea, and I don't really think there's any reason to wait til next year. The basis for that argument is usually to give people time to prepare, but there's nothing really anyone could have done differently if they had known this was going to occur.

Also, it would keep the August 31 deadline as a hard date where guys who sim well still have value. I think that would be an interesting thing that you could try to get value for someone one day, or he could be pretty much worthless the next. Also, it would allow for a bit more trading on the market before draft picks become available. If we are adding that right away, we should also allow this right away, if enough in the league are ok with it.

RedSox wrote:AS I've mentioned to JP, I don't have a problem with this idea, I just think it should not be implemented until next season. I don't think any rule changes should be enacted mid-season that effect that season unless there is some new, pressing problem. The Sept/Oct slowdown is not new and it's not pressing. I personally like to use the opportunity to do draft research.

I can appreciate that.

However, not to take a side on this issue yet, as I understand the proposal, the trades wouldn't impact this season as they wouldn't be processed until after the season ended.

In addition, I'd imagine draft picks still wouldn't be able to be traded until after the seasom officially ends.

Just comments for thought.

Correct and correct.

Draft picks still can't be traded until after the season. Which will prevent a mad dash on the newbies for their draft picks as well in this case. Granted it might not happen this year, but I'm sure people will come and go next year but maybe not.

Orioles wrote:

"You're an asshole. This is the dumbest idea ever. How dare you want to spark more activity into the league?"

I just wanted to call JP an asshole.

hey thats points for honesty.

Right - I agree with Nils (ducking lightning bolt - thanks Bill Simmons). What the hell do you people have to prepare for here? And, Bren, if you want to prepare for the draft, then you don't have to trade. How goddamn long does it take to prepare for the draft?

Answer from someone with a pretty impeccable draft record: Not long - esp with a BA subscription.

Some of us like to get information from more than one source, myself being one of them. Every season i put together a very long list with scouting reports, stats and rankings from several sources so i have all my information in one place.

Fine, whatever - what on God's green earth does that have anything to do with trading?

Wait, we have to spend all of September and October preparing for a draft that doesn't begin until late December? But then we'd be allowed to trade in November and December when we're actually doing our draft preparation?

That's one of the nuttiest, most illogical lines of reasoning I've ever heard.

Brett, your reasoning must be incorrect. We're not doing this because Bren prepares for the draft during September. Everyone else therefore cannot make trades with each other because it would put him at a disadvantage.

Dodgers wrote:Brett, your reasoning must be incorrect. We're not doing this because Bren prepares for the draft during September. Everyone else therefore cannot make trades with each other because it would put him at a disadvantage.

You guys could use the edge. I've been to more IBC WS (2) than any of you...
The point is, it's not as though there's nothing to do. There's always something to do.

I would love to see this inacted right now. At least three times this last week I've found myself talking to a GM about trading when I realized we weren't allowed to deal. Let's spark some activity. There have been a ton of heated debates lately that have brought league activity way up, so let's keep it there by allowing everyone to trade. It won't effect this season...nothing changes except those people out of the race have something to do league-wise. Also, couldnt people in the race deal as well? I mean it doesn't effect their roster for this season.

RedSox wrote:

Dodgers wrote:Brett, your reasoning must be incorrect. We're not doing this because Bren prepares for the draft during September. Everyone else therefore cannot make trades with each other because it would put him at a disadvantage.

You guys could use the edge. I've been to more IBC WS (2) than any of you...
The point is, it's not as though there's nothing to do. There's always something to do.

That doesn't even begin to address why we shouldn't allow the trading, however, which was what a couple of us were pointing out. But I guess if you don't have a good point, talking shit about how you rule is always a good way to go.

Indeed. I oppose this simply because I don't see the point. Oh no, we can't trade for 6 weeks. Guess that means the league is going to die.

Athletics wrote:Indeed. I oppose this simply because I don't see the point. Oh no, we can't trade for 6 weeks. Guess that means the league is going to die.

Well, than I say that we can't trade in May. What harm would that unnecessary restriction really cause? "Oh no, I couldn't make all of the deals that I wanted to in April, and June is just waaaayyyy too late". (sorry for the sarcasm)

I think that some of this goes back to whether you believe in having rules and restrictions just for the sake of having rules and restrictions or whether you only want to have rules and restrictions that are necessary.

Tigers wrote:

RedSox wrote:

Dodgers wrote:Brett, your reasoning must be incorrect. We're not doing this because Bren prepares for the draft during September. Everyone else therefore cannot make trades with each other because it would put him at a disadvantage.

You guys could use the edge. I've been to more IBC WS (2) than any of you...
The point is, it's not as though there's nothing to do. There's always something to do.

That doesn't even begin to address why we shouldn't allow the trading, however, which was what a couple of us were pointing out. But I guess if you don't have a good point, talking shit about how you rule is always a good way to go.

Did you miss the part where I said I had no problem with the rule change? I think you did. I'm starting to wonder which side of this debate you're on.

We're well past actually discussing the issue, but from what I could tell, you were raising the "slow-down" as part of your rationale for why we should wait a year if we do it, and on that basis I don't see the relevance.

I don't see the slow-down/draft prep as a rationale. Just how I choose to pass the time.

I don't see how this would/could negatively affect the league, the 2007 IBC playoff race or post season in any way. I think it would provide some activity for the all the teams that are not in the playoff race.

Count me as supporting the rule change.

Mariners wrote:I don't see how this would/could negatively affect the league, the 2007 IBC playoff race or post season in any way. I think it would provide some activity for the all the teams that are not in the playoff race.

Count me as supporting the rule change.

Agree completely

How would you possibly argue what Ropers said? I mean, the only argument I've heard against so far is "Dude, guys, just wait."