Drafting for GMless teams

[Marlins]

Ok, starting a new thread. Putting some urgency on this as last year some GMs used the excuse that it was too close to the draft to enact, so would prefer to get something out to the league to prevent that complaint.

I propose we use the below list to draft for GM-less teams. To tie up all loose ends, we show this list to the league, update the list on 3/1 at start of the draft to take out any intl players who did not sign by 3/1 (thus not eligible). I can also extend the official list out to 150 names by adding players per actual draft order (or, to keep with BA rankings, their top 500 draft prospects list) to the end of the below list, so there will never be any question about who a GM-less team will draft up through 5 rounds. However, please note last year at the end of the IBC draft there remained players available on this BA list that were not drafted, so this is purely a contingency and to keep people from finding any excuse to basically keep having the "skip" pick in place for the GMless teams. The last thing we should want is frustration of a new GM seeing the picks their team had wasted while everyone else just recently added better players.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... ings-2022/

[Marlins]

Here's the full list that could be posted. Note, this is the top 100 from the above link plus an additional 55 players highest ranked by draft order, confirmed signed. (the guys starting in the 101+ range are the ones in past system would most likely be stuck on GM-less teams starting in 2nd or 3rd...)

Rank Player Pos Team Pick
1 Marcelo Mayer SS BOS
2 Brady House SS WAS
3 Jordan Lawlar SS ARI
4 Seiya Suzuki OF —
5 Kahlil Watson SS MIA
6 Colton Cowser OF BAL
7 Henry Davis C PIT
8 Jack Leiter RHP TEX
9 Sal Frelick OF MIL
10 Matt McLain SS CIN
11 Trey Sweeney SS NYY
12 Harry Ford C SEA
13 Colson Montgomery 3B CWS
14 James Triantos 3B CHC
15 James Wood OF SD
16 Jay Allen OF CIN
17 Jackson Jobe RHP DET
18 Will Bednar RHP SF
19 Jordan Wicks LHP CHC
20 Sam Bachman RHP LAA
21 Gunnar Hoglund RHP TOR
22 Gavin Williams RHP CLE
23 Michael McGreevy RHP STL
24 Ty Madden RHP DET
25 Andrew Painter RHP PHI
26 Benny Montgomery OF COL
27 Joshua Baez OF STL
28 Joe Mack C MIA
29 Lonnie White Jr. OF PIT
30 Cooper Kinney 2B TB
31 Jackson Merrill SS SD
32 Zack Gelof 3B OAK
33 Max Muncy SS OAK
34 Tyler Black 2B MIL
35 Connor Norby 2B BAL
36 Ethan Wilson OF PHI
37 Ryan Cusick RHP ATL
38 Carson Williams SS TB
39 Roderick Arias SS —
40 Chase Petty RHP MIN
41 Ricardo Cabrera SS —
42 Frank Mozzicato LHP KC
43 Bubba Chandler RHP PIT
44 Anthony Solometo LHP PIT
45 Kyle Manzardo 1B TB
46 Cristian Vaquero OF —
47 Wes Kath 3B CWS
48 Aaron Zavala OF TEX
49 Ben Kudrna RHP KC
50 Matt Mikulski LHP SF
51 Lazaro Montes OF/1B —
52 Izaac Pacheco SS DET
53 Tyler Whitaker OF HOU
54 Ky Bush LHP LAA
55 Daylen Lile OF WAS
56 Adrian Del Castillo C ARI
57 Alex Binelas 3B BOS
58 Christian Franklin OF CHC
59 Maddux Bruns LHP LAD
60 Cody Morissette SS MIA
61 Noah Miller SS MIN
62 Denzel Clarke OF OAK
63 Andrew Abbott LHP CIN
64 Doug Nikhazy LHP CLE
65 Ryan Bliss SS ARI
66 Peyton Wilson 2B KC
67 Sean Burke RHP CWS
68 Tyler McDonough 2B BOS
69 Javier Osorio SS —
70 Diego Benitez SS —
71 Hunter Goodman C COL
72 Jonathan Mejia SS —
73 Jordan Viars OF PHI
74 Yendry Rojas INF/OF —
75 Peter Heubeck RHP LAD
76 Spencer Schwellenbach RHP ATL
77 Reed Trimble OF BAL
78 Edwin Arroyo SS SEA
79 Dylan Smith RHP DET
80 Ryan Reckley SS —
81 Jose Torres SS CIN
82 Tommy Mace RHP CLE
83 Jaden Hill RHP COL
84 Dominic Hamel RHP NYM
85 Ricky Tiedemann LHP TOR
86 William Bergolla Jr. SS —
87 Griff McGarry RHP PHI
88 Yasser Mercedes OF —
89 Carlos Pacheco OF —
90 Robert Gasser LHP SD
91 Steven Hajjar LHP MIN
92 Austin Love RHP STL
93 Brock Selvidge LHP NYY
94 Calvin Ziegler RHP NYM
95 Mat Nelson C CIN
96 Jordan McCants SS MIA
97 Nathan Hickey C BOS
98 TJ White OF WAS
99 John Rhodes OF BAL
100 Oscar Colas OF —
101 Russell Smith LHP MIL 51
102 Brendan Beck RHP NYY 55
103 Joe Rock LHP COL 68
104 Ryan Holgate OF STL 70
105 Cameron Cauley SS TEX 73
106 Jacob Steinmetz RHP ARI 77
107 Carter Jensen C KC 78
108 McCade Brown RHP COL 79
109 Landon Marceaux RHP LAA 80
110 Branden Boissiere OF WAS 82
111 Michael Morales RHP SEA 83
112 Mason Black RHP SF 85
113 Drew Gray LHP CHC 93
114 Jake Fox SS CLE 95
115 Dylan Dodd LHP ATL 96
116 Mason Miller RHP OAK 97
117 Cade Povich LHP MIN 98
118 Kevin Kopps RHP SD 99
119 Ryan Spikes SS TB 100
120 Owen Kellington RHP PIT 102
121 Ian Moller C TEX 103
122 Tyler Mattison RHP DET 104
123 Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz LHP BOS 105
124 Donta Williams OF BAL 106
125 Chad Patrick RHP ARI 107
126 Shane Panzini RHP KC 108
127 Luke Murphy RHP LAA 110
128 JT Schwartz 1B NYM 111
129 Dustin Saenz LHP WAS 112
130 Bryce Miller RHP SEA 113
131 Micah Ottenbreit RHP PHI 114
132 Eric Silva RHP SF 115
133 Logan Henderson RHP MIL 116
134 Tanner Allen OF MIA 118
135 Ruben Ibarra 1B CIN 119
136 Zane Mills RHP STL 120
137 Chad Dallas RHP TOR 121
138 Cooper Bowman 2B NYY 122
139 Brooks Gosswein LHP CWS 124
140 Ryan Webb LHP CLE 125
141 Cal Conley SS ATL 126
142 Christian Encarnacion-Strand 3B MIN 128
143 Jackson Wolf LHP SD 129
144 Dru Baker 3B TB 130
145 Nick Nastrini RHP LAD 131
146 Chayce McDermott RHP HOU 132
147 Jackson Glenn 3B PIT 133
148 Mitch Bratt LHP TEX 134
149 Tanner Kohlhepp RHP DET 135
150 Carlos Tavera RHP BAL 137
151 Caleb Roberts C ARI 138
152 Eric Cerantola RHP KC 139
153 Evan Justice LHP COL 140
154 Brett Kerry RHP LAA 141
155 Christian Scott RHP NYM 142

[Reds]

I'm okay with using a list rather than the actual draft results. This one looks good, are there any others to consider?

[Marlins]

I think BP also puts out a list like this as well, but havent seen it yet. I know no list is perfect, but at the same time, any list is 10x better than what we have used in the past.

I think the key here is to get this list out to everyone asap so everyone has plenty of time to prepare, which seemed to somehow be a concern when I brought this up last year.

[Padres]

The first half of BP's list came out this morning ...

[Marlins]

Anyone have a preference? I think the key is just getting something out asap, whichever we use.

[Padres]

Anyone have a preference? I think the key is just getting something out asap, whichever we use.

I like the list you compiled Nils (and appreciate the effort) ... I would like to see BP's complete list and see if this group wants to edit your list slightly based on a BP inclusion or reasoning ... still think we can get an agreed upon list out very soon.

[Guardians]

Anyone have a preference? I think the key is just getting something out asap, whichever we use.

I like the list you compiled Nils (and appreciate the effort) ... I would like to see BP's complete list and see if this group wants to edit your list slightly based on a BP inclusion or reasoning ... still think we can get an agreed upon list out very soon.

Can someone post the BP list here?

[Marlins]

Here is the beginning of the list below (only part 1 released so far).
Rank Player Team Prim
1 Seiya Suzuki - OF
2 Marcelo Mayer BOS SS
3 Kahlil Watson MIA SS
4 Jordan Lawlar ARI SS
5 Jack Leiter TEX RHP
6 Brady House WAS SS
7 Henry Davis PIT C
8 Matt McLain CIN SS
9 Colton Cowser BAL OF
10 James Triantos CHC 2B
11 Sal Frelick MIL OF
12 Jay Allen II CIN OF
13 Benny Montgomery COL OF
14 Jackson Jobe DET RHP
15 Roderick Arias NYY SS
16 Cristhian Vaquero WAS OF
17 Harry Ford SEA C
18 James Wood SD OF
19 Colson Montgomery CHW SS
20 Trey Sweeney NYY SS
21 Gavin Williams CLE RHP
22 Sam Bachman LAA RHP
23 Ricardo Cabrera CIN SS
24 Connor Norby BAL 2B
25 Joshua Baez STL OF
26 Gunnar Hoglund TOR RHP
27 Carson Williams TB SS
28 Will Bednar SF RHP
29 Oscar Colás CHW OF
30 Andrew Painter PHI RHP

[Marlins]

We could just do a composite ranking of the two lists (i.e. average the rankings from the two lists, sort by the avg rank for each player). That would also bring the list beyond 100 names as there are likely to be some guys on one list and not the other. The list of guys at the end by draft order would be shorter (assuming we still want up to 150 names listed).

I'd be fine working up the sheet to composite the two rankings together once the full BP list out.

[Marlins]

Here's how the start of the composite would look:

Avg Ranking Player Pos Team
1.5 Marcelo Mayer SS BOS
2.5 Seiya Suzuki OF —
3.5 Jordan Lawlar SS ARI
4 Brady House SS WAS
4 Kahlil Watson SS MIA
4.5 Sal Frelick OF MIL
6.5 Jack Leiter RHP TEX
7 Henry Davis C PIT
7.5 Colton Cowser OF BAL
9 Matt McLain SS CIN
9.5 Colson Montgomery 3B CWS
12 James Triantos 3B CHC
14 Jay Allen OF CIN
14.5 Harry Ford C SEA
15.5 Trey Sweeney SS NYY
15.5 Jackson Jobe RHP DET
16.5 James Wood OF SD
23 Will Bednar RHP SF

Ties I've broken by using BA rank.

[Guardians]

Any idea how big the BP list is? 100? 150?

[Marlins]

The title of the BP article says its part one of the Top 100.

[Marlins]

Ok I have just spent over an hour compiling this list, which I hope we can all agree on as final and post to the rest of the league. BP's full top 100 is out. The list below ranks players 1-80 based on the average of their BA and BP ranks (ties default to BA rank), players 81-120 are players on one list or the other, ranked by where they each rank on their respective lists (again, tied to BA rank), then players 121-150 simply based on draft rank. As I previously mentioned, when I checked these BA and BP lists based on if all the guys ranked in their top 100s got actually drafted, there always were a few stragglers on each list that didnt get drafted in IBC With this list now up to 120 players total combined between the two, I seriously doubt we will get to the part of the list where players are ranked by draft order. However, I included that so there is zero chance of any confusion on who would be drafted. Also, including up to 150 as there may be some GMs who didnt use these lists or didnt know about these lists before when drafting and with this list now public knowledge, I expect more of these guys to be taken.

TLDR: Basically making this list the default rankings list like in a Yahoo fantasy draft. GM doesnt show up for the draft (or there is no GM), they get best available off this list.

RANK Avg Ranking Player Pos Team
1 1.5 Marcelo Mayer SS BOS
2 2.5 Seiya Suzuki OF —
3 3.5 Jordan Lawlar SS ARI
4 4 Brady House SS WAS
5 4 Kahlil Watson SS MIA
6 4.5 Sal Frelick OF MIL
7 6.5 Jack Leiter RHP TEX
8 7 Henry Davis C PIT
9 7.5 Colton Cowser OF BAL
10 9 Matt McLain SS CIN
11 9.5 Colson Montgomery 3B CWS
12 12 James Triantos 3B CHC
13 14 Jay Allen OF CIN
14 14.5 Harry Ford C SEA
15 15.5 Trey Sweeney SS NYY
16 15.5 Jackson Jobe RHP DET
17 16.5 James Wood OF SD
18 19.5 Benny Montgomery OF COL
19 21 Sam Bachman RHP LAA
20 21.5 Gavin Williams RHP CLE
21 23 Will Bednar RHP SF
22 23.5 Gunnar Hoglund RHP TOR
23 26 Joshua Baez OF STL
24 27 Roderick Arias SS NYY
25 27.5 Andrew Painter RHP PHI
26 29.5 Connor Norby 2B BAL
27 31 Cristian Vaquero OF WAS
28 32 Lonnie White Jr. OF PIT
29 32 Ricardo Cabrera SS CIN
30 32.5 Zack Gelof 3B OAK
31 32.5 Carson Williams SS TB
32 33 Ty Madden RHP DET
33 35 Max Muncy SS OAK
34 35.5 Jordan Wicks LHP CHC
35 36.5 Tyler Black 2B MIL
36 38.5 Jackson Merrill SS SD
37 39 Michael McGreevy RHP STL
38 40.5 Cooper Kinney 2B TB
39 40.5 Ryan Cusick RHP ATL
40 41.5 Ethan Wilson OF PHI
41 41.5 Lazaro Montes OF/1B SEA
42 42.5 Chase Petty RHP MIN
43 43 Aaron Zavala OF TEX
44 45 Frank Mozzicato LHP KC
45 45.5 Alex Binelas 3B BOS
46 46 Bubba Chandler RHP PIT
47 51.5 Kyle Manzardo 1B TB
48 53 Diego Benitez SS ATL
49 54 Anthony Solometo LHP PIT
50 55 Matt Mikulski LHP SF
51 57 Wes Kath 3B CWS
52 59 Denzel Clarke OF OAK
53 59.5 Joe Mack C MIA
54 59.5 Ky Bush LHP LAA
55 59.5 Ryan Bliss SS ARI
56 60.5 Daylen Lile OF WAS
57 61.5 Izaac Pacheco SS DET
58 61.5 Peyton Wilson 2B KC
59 62.5 Jonathan Mejia SS STL
60 63 William Bergolla Jr. SS PHI
61 64 Javier Osorio SS DET
62 64.5 Oscar Colás OF CWS
63 65 Ryan Reckley SS SF
64 66 Ben Kudrna RHP KC
65 67.5 Christian Franklin OF CHC
66 68.5 Adrian Del Castillo C ARI
67 68.5 Yendry Rojas INF/OF SD
68 69 Tyler Whitaker OF HOU
69 70.5 Maddux Bruns LHP LAD
70 70.5 Noah Miller SS MIN
71 71.5 Jose Torres SS CIN
72 74.5 Yasser Mercedes OF MIN
73 75 Edwin Arroyo SS SEA
74 78.5 Cody Morissette SS MIA
75 80.5 Tyler McDonough 2B BOS
76 80.5 Jaden Hill RHP COL
77 81.5 Reed Trimble OF BAL
78 86.5 Griff McGarry RHP PHI
79 88.5 Ricky Tiedemann LHP TOR
80 89 Dylan Smith RHP DET
81 31/BP Won-Bin Cho OF STL
82 41/BP Dyan Jorge SS COL
83 43/BP Anthony Gutierrez OF TEX
84 63/BA Andrew Abbott LHP CIN
85 64/BA Doug Nikhazy LHP CLE
86 67/BA Sean Burke RHP CWS
87 68/BP Braylin Tavera OF BAL
88 69/BP Simon Juan OF NYM
89 70/BP Johan Barrios SS MIL
90 71/BA Hunter Goodman C COL
91 73/BA Jordan Viars OF PHI
92 73/BP Tony Blanco Jr. OF PIT
93 74/BP Adan Sanchez 3B CHC
94 75/BA Peter Heubeck RHP LAD
95 75/BP César Prieto 2B BAL
96 76/BA Spencer Schwellenbach RHP ATL
97 79/BP Corey Rosier OF SD
98 82/BA Tommy Mace RHP CLE
99 84/BA Dominic Hamel RHP NYM
100 84/BP Nelson Rada OF LAA
101 87/BP Samuel Muñoz 3B LAD
102 88/BP Alexis Hernandez SS CHC
103 89/BA Carlos Pacheco OF OAK
104 89/BP Yordany De Los Santos SS PIT
105 90/BA Robert Gasser LHP SD
106 90/BP Niko Kavadas 1B BOS
107 91/BA Steven Hajjar LHP MIN
108 92/BA Austin Love RHP STL
109 93/BA Brock Selvidge LHP NYY
110 94/BA Calvin Ziegler RHP NYM
111 94/BP Jhonny Severino SS MIL
112 95/BA Mat Nelson C CIN
113 95/BP Freili Encarnacion SS BOS
114 96/BA Jordan McCants SS MIA
115 96/BP Abdidas De La Cruz SS ARI
116 97/BA Nathan Hickey C BOS
117 98/BA TJ White OF WAS
118 98/BP Ryan Holgate OF STL
119 99/BA John Rhodes OF BAL
120 100/BP Jaison Chourio OF CLE
121 51/DRAFT Russell Smith LHP MIL
122 55/DRAFT Brendan Beck RHP NYY
123 68/DRAFT Joe Rock LHP COL
124 73/DRAFT Cameron Cauley SS TEX
125 77/DRAFT Jacob Steinmetz RHP ARI
126 78/DRAFT Carter Jensen C KC
127 79/DRAFT McCade Brown RHP COL
128 80/DRAFT Landon Marceaux RHP LAA
129 82/DRAFT Branden Boissiere OF WAS
130 83/DRAFT Michael Morales RHP SEA
131 85/DRAFT Mason Black RHP SF
132 93/DRAFT Drew Gray LHP CHC
133 95/DRAFT Jake Fox SS CLE
134 96/DRAFT Dylan Dodd LHP ATL
135 97/DRAFT Mason Miller RHP OAK
136 98/DRAFT Cade Povich LHP MIN
137 99/DRAFT Kevin Kopps RHP SD
138 100/DRAFT Ryan Spikes SS TB
139 102/DRAFT Owen Kellington RHP PIT
140 103/DRAFT Ian Moller C TEX
141 104/DRAFT Tyler Mattison RHP DET
142 105/DRAFT Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz LHP BOS
143 106/DRAFT Donta Williams OF BAL
144 107/DRAFT Chad Patrick RHP ARI
145 108/DRAFT Shane Panzini RHP KC
146 110/DRAFT Luke Murphy RHP LAA
147 111/DRAFT JT Schwartz 1B NYM
148 112/DRAFT Dustin Saenz LHP WAS
149 113/DRAFT Bryce Miller RHP SEA
150 114/DRAFT Micah Ottenbreit RHP PHI

[Guardians]

I'm ok with this being our draft list. Let's take a vote

[Padres]

Thanks for compiling the list ... I vote in favor of publishing it and using it to draft for Toronto if we don't have a new owner by the time the IBC draft starts.

That is three in favor.

[Marlins]

Also, how does this work? If exco votes this in, does it just get put in place or does it need to go to a league vote?

[Guardians]

JP can clarify, but operational/policy changes are typically handled by exco. Kind of the purpose of the group.

[Cardinals]

Correct, that's the point of ExCo. If that's what we decide to do, then that's what we do.

[Cardinals]

And I am fine with the list as well.

[Reds]

I’m good with the list. Thanks for compiling it.