Question to the Ex-Co regarding the DL to start the Season

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:08 pm

The league rules state that a player has to be on the DL by midnight on Saturday night for him to not be eligible for the upcoming week of play. With the MLB requiring teams to have their rosters set until yesterday, Sunday, alot of players who are well known to be injuried weren't put on the DL until yesterday or today in some cases.

Are we going to enforce the rule as written, where a player that wasn't "oficially" on the DL list on Saturday night is eligible to play in the IBC until next week where he's officially on the DL now or are we going to work on a case by case basis and try and decide after the fact whether someone should or shouldn't be playing the first week of the IBC season.

Figured it was probably something that should have been asked last week but I forgot about it until this morning.

Just want to make sure everyone is operating under the same understanding of the DL rules going into opening weekend.

Plus, are we still acting with the change to the DL rule violation from last year where any violation results in the extra 30 days or are we changing again back to what's still written up in the rules? Someone should probably clarify that, as well.

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:51 pm

I netplayed my first series without my 2nd and 3rd pitcher, assuming they'd be on the DL since they were placed retroactive to a previous March Date. Just makes things more complicated.

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 6:47 pm

Yes, it does makes things complicated, which is why I posed the question. Ideally, everyone would be operating under the same rules/premises going into the first week, however given that MLB didn't have their roster set date until Sunday, many teams didn't officially place players on the DL until that day, and some not until today. It would seem a bit unfair to some GM's if they sent in rosters under the impression players were going to be on the DL, then other GM's didn't DL their players until next week, being that it was still within the rules.

Just figured it would be wiser for the ExCo to address the situation before it becomes an issue after games have been played. For those that already played head to head, its already too late to change.

Just seems to me to be something that needs to be addressed, because technically guys like.

BJ Ryan
Jason Schmidt
Andy LaRoche
Nomar Garciaparra
Randy Johnson
Chad Tracy
Brandon McCarthy
Brandan Ryan
Jason Hirsh
Omar Vizquel
Noah Lowry
Moises Alou
Joel Zumaya
Kelvim Escobar
John Lackey
Scott Shields

etc. etc. etc. etc......

Would technically all be eligible to play in the IBC this week because they weren't officially put on the DL until Sunday, which is after the IBC Saturday Night deadline.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:24 pm

I think common sense applies and that those guys should be out (that's how I'm treating Lowry), we'll have an official ExCo ruling as soon as more ExCo people get a chance to communicate.

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:31 pm

Athletics wrote:I think common sense applies and that those guys should be out (that's how I'm treating Lowry), we'll have an official ExCo ruling as soon as more ExCo people get a chance to communicate.

I agree, however there are circumstances that are clear cut and other where its not so clear cut, so I figured it was better for it to be addressed.

Some players put on the DL yesterday and today have played or pitched within the last couple weeks. Thus I figured it was better for it to be addressed now rather than later when someone's feelilngs get hurt.

A simple everyone who was listed as on the DL prior to their team's games today, should be on the DL in the IBC, rather than going with the Saturday night rule that we use during the season. It would seem to make more sense than trying to make rulings on every player than might have play in the minors over the past two weeks but is now on the DL for the start of the season.

Mets · Post by **Mets** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 7:46 pm

Especially with games being played last week, before the season officially started....what was the precedence set?

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:26 pm

Like I said, I didn't pitch Lowry, who is the only affected player on either my or Bren's team. When we make an official decision it will be an all or nothing type deal. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:00 pm

Never did hear an answer on how the league is proceeding this season with the DL penalty?

Is it the revamped extreme version that was implemented mid-season last year still or did we go back to the softer version listed under the rules?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:04 pm

In the brief discussions I've had with others (JP) over it, it's 2 weeks for the first offense, then a month, then two months, then 4 months (I believe).
I'm still pecking away at an updated rules draft.

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:25 pm

RedSox wrote:In the brief discussions I've had with others (JP) over it, it's 2 weeks for the first offense, then a month, then two months, then 4 months (I believe).
I'm still pecking away at an updated rules draft.

Is that an additional two weeks on top of the initial two weeks for first offense? or essentially the player just gets deactivated for the original two weeks?

So would it be:

1st offense: original 2 weeks + 2 weeks = 4 weeks
2nd offense: original 2 weeks + 4 weeks = 6 weeks
3rd offense: original 2 weeks + 8 weeks = 10 weeks
4th offense: original 2 weeks + 16 weeks = 18 weeks

or would that translate to:

1st offense: original 2 weeks = 2 weeks
2nd offense: original 2 weeks + 2 weeks = 1 month
3rd offense: original 2 weeks + 6 weeks = 2 months
4th offense: original 2 weeks + 14 weeks = 4 months

And does the time frame cover the whole season, so if a guy has a DL violation in week one of the season then another in July, that count's as 2nd offense? and another in September that counts as the 3rd offense?

Just trying to get the rules straight so everyone is aware of it, as this tends to be one of the biggest issues that comes up every season.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:20 pm

It's normal DL Time plus
2 Weeks for First offense
4 Weeks for Second offense (I shouldn't have said a month before, month is too vague)
8 Weeks for the third offense
16 Weeks for the 4th offense

in the past, the offenses occurred within a certain span of each other, this changed at one point last year. For the moment, right now, it doesn't matter, but the ExCo will be discussing which to use.

As you said, DL issues have been one of the biggest problems through the years. This is a matter of personal accountability. I personally already screwed up. I didn't farm laroche properly and he snuck into a game as a PHer, which sucks because I really need him back. But them's the rules, I fucked up so I have to pay the piper on those two weeks.

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:24 pm

Thanks, justed wanted to be clear what we operating under this season.

Orioles · Post by **Orioles** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:30 pm

Nomar was not active on the roster I sent in for opening day, so if he played he should not have.