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America's only real hope is the hope of the Obomacans, who have all basically said that they abandoned their party for Obama because they believe he won't follow the agenda he claims to support. Just think about that for a second, the guy's entire bipartisan appeal is that people in the other party think he's going to betray his own party. How much sense does that make?

Aaron, as far as my post, I didn't say that you said those things, and didn't mean to imply that. Sarah Palin has said them. She said them the other night in Jeff, that's why I said that.

Pirates wrote:You're acting as if Aaron made some sort of racist remark calling Obama a dumb negro who thinks he's smarter than everybody because he went to Harvard. Did he say that? No. ..... Nobody is saying it's a BAD THING to have a good education. At all....

I never said that he said that. In fact I said that Palin said it right there in the post. So you can pretend that I'm the one putting words in other people's mouths, but its actually quite the opposite.

He's got the media and money on his side and has now fooled the country into believing that he's the moderate and unifying figure in this election when that couldn't even be further from the truth. John McCain is far more moderate than Obama is, yet McCain is painted out to be Bush III and Obama is exalted as the savior of this country.

I never, for a second, have thought Obama was a moderate and can't recall ever hearing someone say that. And, how can you act like it's inaccurate to paint McCain as Bush III when they agree on 90% of issues? That's a fact not even McCain argues. Is John McCain Bush? No. But they sure do agree on a lot.

So you know what, you guys can be all scared of Sarah Palin wanting creationism to be taught alongside evolution. You can fear people having Judeo-Christian morals written and weaved into the fabric of our society. You can fear keeping the integrity of the Constitution intact. You can fear not appeasing the select few atheists and socialists in the country. You can fear wealth and prosperity.

Yup. That's what we're scared of - keeping the integrity of the constitution. That's so condescending and inaccurate, it's hard to even argue. So you just believe that. You know me, we've talked consistently for seven years...you really think what scares me about Sarah Palin is that she's going to "keep the integrity of the constitution." You think that's not what I want, or Obama's supporters want? You really think half of the country is anti-constitution?

I fear something awful happening to John McCain and a "soccer mom" becoming our President. That does scare me. John McCain's own staff don't trust her. I'm supposed to? Sorry, no thanks.

But whatever. Keep complaining about how Democrats are gonna spend when the Republicans just spent 8 years doubling the national debt - again a fact John McCain has come out and admitted to. Keep complaining about how you want government out of your life but still feel the need to tell people who they can and can't marry. Keep pretending like the Democrats are asking the world of you because they want to make sure all gun owners are "liscenced and registered" as McCain's latest radio ad points out. I can't wait for Tuesday to come and go so I don't have to hear my friends tell me how stupid I am and that I've been "duped" simply for disagreeing with them.[/quote]

JP, you clearly don't have a grasp on the issues or the facts involved in this election. I disagree with Aaron and jake, but they at least understand the issues, you don't. Rather than rip you a new one I'm going to say, as a friend, you're in over your head, come back when you learn to swim.

RedSox wrote:JP, you clearly don't have a grasp on the issues or the facts involved in this election. I disagree with Aaron and jake, but they at least understand the issues, you don't. Rather than rip you a new one I'm going to say, as a friend, you're in over your head, come back when you learn to swim.

LOL ok.

RedSox wrote: I disagree with Aaron and jake, but they at least understand the issues, you don't.

Is that a joke? The fact that you guys know very little about policy is no big deal, but the fact that you "THINK" you do is actually quite frightening!

RedSox wrote:JP, you clearly don't have a grasp on the issues or the facts involved in this election. I disagree with Aaron and jake, but they at least understand the issues, you don't. Rather than rip you a new one I'm going to say, as a friend, you're in over your head, come back when you learn to swim.

I owe ya $5 JP. Personal attack with no rebuttal to any of your points

That was no personal attack. What i first wrote up would have amounted to a personal attack. Along diatribe built largely on shallow campaign attack ads including selectively edited quotes shows a lack of a grasp of the issues. Now, if JP would rather be shredded piece by piece on his ill-advised post, I'd be willing to do that. However I felt that declining to do so and suggesting that JP actually take some time to educate himself on the issues and what he's talking about would be preferable.

Some tips for JP:
The only thing you should EVER take from a campaign ad, literature, web-site, etc. is the positions of the candidate running the ad. Don't even take from it whether it's a good of bad thing, figure that out yourself.
Never give credence to attack ads, no matter who runs them. There is nothing more heavily spun in politics than an attack ad. Bloggers and blog commenters are even worse. They can and will say anything and generally get away with it, no matter how ridiculous it is, because they have no accountability.
Independent web-sites such as fact-check.org are great resources for ferreting out the bullshit. Spend some time there, you'll learn something.

As for Joe Biden being a smart pick, are we talking about the same Joe Biden who claimed that if his ticket won we would face a "major international challenge" because they'll want to "test Barack Obama"? So the Vice President Nominee of the party you support is telling us Americans that we can embrace for some sort of international crisis, likely some sort of terrorist attack, if we vote for him? Wow, how comforting. What a great pick. Maybe if the media weren't beyond leftist slanted right now, we could hear more about this.

I'll handle this Bren. Biden was referencing the fact that the President of the US, whoever that was, was going to face a challenge - a fact corroborated by the CIA. Biden was saying Obama because he thinks his dog is going to win the race - which is a pretty decent guess at this point.

I just hope that all you Obama supporters are ready for what comes next. The fact that he's got everybody fooled is a credit to how well he can speak. The guy is a great public speaker. America unfortunately has drank his kool aid. He's got the media and money on his side and has now fooled the country into believing that he's the moderate and unifying figure in this election when that couldn't even be further from the truth. John McCain is far more moderate than Obama is, yet McCain is painted out to be Bush III and Obama is exalted as the savior of this country. He's painted to be somebody who will fight for the little guy. Yeah, he'll fight for the little guy alright. He'll take somebody's hard earned money, tax it further, and give it to people who don't even pay income taxes. How noble. We're electing nothing more than a glorified Robin Hood if Obama is elected. The media acts as if we've never seen somebody like Obama before, and you know, to an extent, they're right. We've never had somebody drinking a candidates koolaid like this, ever. We've never had the American public be so jaded between perception and reality on a candidate before and it is sickening. The fact that he's seen as a moderate is a complete joke. Even the most liberal Supreme Court justices wouldn't agree with his notions.

Isn't the little guy Joe the Plumber? The guy McCain is building his campaign around? So you're saying he shouldn't fight for Joe the Plumber, he should fight for John McCain - but John McCain is saying he's fighting for Joe the Plumber? Do you even know what you're saying? I'm ok with the philosophy against increasing taxation on the rich - I don't agree with it, but I see the other side - they have earned it. But McCain can't have it both ways. He's not helping the middle class as much as Obama is - so to that extent he is a Robin Hood. There are 8,000 independant reports that can back this up.

[/quote]How about this gem:
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"The Constitution reflects deep flaws in American culture ... the Constitution reflected enormous blind spot of those days which continues to this day...""There are fundamental problems (in the Constitution which) ... we're still grappling with today ..."

He has ideas for the courts to work away from the constitution and do things that even the liberal supreme court justices of past and present wouldn't agree with.

Please name one. Aaron says Bren can't answer on the question. Name one. Also, the Constitution was written a long time ago - in an entirely different age - it's not perfect - that's why they amend it from time to time.

I'm not exactly sure how a Democrat gets painted as the candidate to slash taxes without the media's help. But sadly, the majority of Americans seem to think that they will not have their taxes raised on them within these next four (and God forbid) 8 years of possible Obama as president. Please. How else is he going to fund his money for his social spending and spread the wealth around? By raising taxes on everybody of course, and his cronies in crime Pelosi and Reid are just licking their lips at the opportunity to do this too I'm sure. That way we can increase taxes for everybody eventually much like Clinton did, and instead of promoting growth and wealth, we can promote and demote everybody to the same class- even if these people aren't paying income taxes.

Yea - it really sucked when everyone had a job, the dollar was actually worth something, and people could actually afford to own homes. This paragraph just makes you seem angry that Obama's winning. We have to believe a candidate is going to execute on his platform - if we're wrong, the great thing about Democracy is that we get to vote him out in four years.

Also, since Obama is painted as this great, great, great man, why does he have a half brother living in a shanty town in Africa who's embarrassed of himself? Can't this great man help his family out? Why doesn't he spread his own wealth around to his own blood? I'll tell you why, because he's a complete fraud.

Wow. Nice crazy nonsense. Surprised the McCain/Palin team hasn't jumped on this one yet. Is this the same brother you refer to in the rest of your post?

Say what you will, call me racist if you want, but I'll say what should be said. It should raise many eyebrows to everybody about electing a man whose closest friends in his years coming up through the political system were domestic terrorists, Marxists and radical preachers (Hello Mr. Wright) and has a half brother who is a militant Muslim.

There is literally no one that's saying these were his closest friends. But it's nice to see you've bought into the fear - yes, Barack Obama is a terrorist. Nice work JP.

This is a prime example of reverse racism as well I might point out. If John McCain went to a Protestant Church and had a preacher say far-right Conservative sermons, man, I'm sure Bren would be in quite the rage spewing how we're about to go into a theocracy and how Zalaski would quote Keith Olbermann for us about how batshit the Right Wing has become in this country.

I quoted Olbermann once when he quoted Palin saying that Alaska was an almost socialist state. I don't watch his show. But nice characterization based on nothing but a post containing an actual quote from Governor Palin. Are we running against each other?

But, since it's Barack Obama, whose half Kenyan, if we dare question his religious surroundings and be frightful for what he supports his preacher saying, we will immediately be labeled an intolerant racist, or maybe even worse- a redneck hick. I think if Palin's priest said extreme right wing stuff Bren himself might just implode and NBC, CBS and CNN would have a field day.

Um, usually I don't agree with everything my preacher/priest says. Doesn't mean I stop going to Church. Also, Palin's husband belonged to a group that wanted Alaska to secede from the United States. People let it go. It got about as much pub as the Ayers thing - BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.

So you know what, you guys can be all scared of Sarah Palin wanting creationism to be taught alongside evolution.

Not just scared of that, more scared of her unadulterated hatred of anything to do with science.

You can fear people having Judeo-Christian morals written and weaved into the fabric of our society.

Considering our society is supposed to not hold up one type of person above another - even though I am Christian - this scares me.

You can fear keeping the integrity of the Constitution intact.

Almost no basis for this statement.

You can fear not appeasing the select few atheists and socialists in the country.

Umm, how about we take this as far off the map as possible? Did you see the McCain interview where he said Obama was not a socialist? Can we drop this notion?

You can fear wealth and prosperity.

Literally gibberish.

I will go ahead and fear for the American public and how Obama's excellent way with words has duped everybody into believing that he's something that he's not.

Again, the great thing about a democracy is that we can look after 4 years and evaluate what Obama's done. He may be able to fool people now, but he won't be able to fool history in 4 years.

I'll fear what Joe Biden himself said- That we will face an international crisis within the next 9 months if he is elected.

Again this is taken totally out of context, which is why McCain's OWN CAMPAIGN HAS DROPPED THIS. It has been said by government agencies that ANY President, even if it was fucking Bush because he somehow dupes America again or if Derek Jeter parlays another ridiculous Gold Glove win into a write-in Presidential victory, would be tested.

I'll fear for our economy since Obama has no idea what he's doing. (His response to the big economic crisis with the bailout last month? "Tell me what to do and I will sell it.")

Nice quote from you, considering McCain, in his own words, has said he doesn't understand the economy. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Much like his entire campaign has been a sales pitch. I'll fear Pelosi, Reid's and Obama's agenda.

I'm sure Pelosi, Reid, and Obama want to ruin America. Sucks that we can't ever vote them out of office.

How about the fact that because of the people he has associated with, namely Ayers, Obama wouldn't even be considered to be hired by the FBI or Secret Service. In fact, the only way he can enter the Pentagon is if he is President. Not exactly reassuring

I'll handle this Bren. Biden was referencing the fact that the President of the US, whoever that was, was going to face a challenge - a fact corroborated by the CIA. Biden was saying Obama because he thinks his dog is going to win the race - which is a pretty decent guess at this point.

Oh. So instead of saying that they would do their best to prevent anything horrendous from happening and reassuring the American public that the world will be safe and just, he'd rather say that we'll be facing a major international crisis once (God forbid) Obama is elected.

Also, Biden is such a BRILLIANT guy. Bush administration put Hezbullah in Lebanon and we threw them out? O...kay. Bren, you might want to tell Biden to do a little homework.

Isn't the little guy Joe the Plumber? The guy McCain is building his campaign around? So you're saying he shouldn't fight for Joe the Plumber, he should fight for John McCain - but John McCain is saying he's fighting for Joe the Plumber? Do you even know what you're saying? I'm ok with the philosophy against increasing taxation on the rich - I don't agree with it, but I see the other side - they have earned it. But McCain can't have it both ways. He's not helping the middle class as much as Obama is - so to that extent he is a Robin Hood. There are 8,000 independant reports that can back this up.

This has nothing to do with anything I said, though that comes as no surprise. Me: "Obama is painted as somebody who will fight for the little guy... ...John McCain is more moderate than Obama... yet McCain is painted out to be Bush III... ....country believes that he's the moderate and unifying figure in this election..." What are you trying to say exactly? That Obama will fight for the little guy? Helping the middle class =moderate in the political spectrum? Are you really THAT clueless? Actually, don't answer that.

Please name one. Aaron says Bren can't answer on the question. Name one. Also, the Constitution was written a long time ago - in an entirely different age - it's not perfect - that's why they amend it from time to time.

You can amend it, sure. To say it has deep flaws and fundamental problems is absurd and frightening. You want something about working away from the constitution and liberal SC judges not agreeing with him? OK, you got it.

Obama said he was "not optimistic about bringing major redistributive change through the courts." ... In discussion of the high court's liberal heyday under Chief Justice Earl Warren, for example, he said, "The court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and more basic issues of political and economic justice in the society..."

So in it's liberal heyday of the courts, it wasn't far enough for Obama. He'd like to delve into this area someday, but he's (mercifully) not optimistic about it.

Yea - it really sucked when everyone had a job, the dollar was actually worth something, and people could actually afford to own homes. This paragraph just makes you seem angry that Obama's winning. We have to believe a candidate is going to execute on his platform - if we're wrong, the great thing about Democracy is that we get to vote him out in four years.

No, it makes me angry that people think that the democratic candidate is the one that people think will lower taxes. It makes me angry that people think that he can do all this spending and not raise taxes. Fools. Again, you say nothing. I understand that you can vote again in four years.

Wow. Nice crazy nonsense. Surprised the McCain/Palin team hasn't jumped on this one yet. Is this the same brother you refer to in the rest of your post?

Nice crazy nonsense? Do some homework.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... Kenya.html

And no, that's not the same brother as the one that's a militant Muslim. Also on the family note, how is Obama completely clueless to something like this? http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/01 ... ly-boston/

Glad we want to elect somebody who has no idea whats going on even with his own family.

There is literally no one that's saying these were his closest friends. But it's nice to see you've bought into the fear - yes, Barack Obama is a terrorist. Nice work JP.

I haven't bought into fear. He's put these people in his corner of the ring and it doesn't raise an eyebrow? OK. What if McCain wrote a positive blurb for and worked with somebody with the KKK? Would that go over well with you? That wouldn't raise an eyebrow? You wouldn't bat an eyelash? OK.

Um, usually I don't agree with everything my preacher/priest says. Doesn't mean I stop going to Church. Also, Palin's husband belonged to a group that wanted Alaska to secede from the United States. People let it go. It got about as much pub as the Ayers thing - BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.

If you're a political figure and you're going to a church where a preacher is telling us GOD DAMN AMERICA, well, that should raise some eyebrows again. Wright is a psycho and Obama never should have got anywhere near him. If you disagree with your priest then yes, you should find a new church to attend. I also didn't know Palin's husband was running for anything. That's news to me.

Considering our society is supposed to not hold up one type of person above another - even though I am Christian - this scares me.

Uh, what was our country founded on? Actually, you probably don't know so I'd rather you not answer.

Umm, how about we take this as far off the map as possible? Did you see the McCain interview where he said Obama was not a socialist? Can we drop this notion?

Did I call him a socialist in this particular quote?No. Did I say you can appease the atheists and socialists in the country? Yup. Are there socialists in this country? There are atheists in this country too right? Are you saying I called Obama an atheist too in what you quoted?

Nice quote from you, considering McCain, in his own words, has said he doesn't understand the economy. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Thanks. Way to totally disregard Obama's quote and just go ahead and say something about McCain- entirely irrelevant. When you don't have a point to make, and you have nothing to say, resort to plan C- making an extremely lame joke.


And with that, I'm exiting this thread. This thread should have been killed weeks ago but it still churns right along, as I'm sure it will continue to as you and Bren tell me how clueless I am, etc. As for that Bren, you are the LAST person in this world I'd want political advice from. There has been no point to this thread for quite some time (if at all) and there's absolutely no point in further discussing politics. The only reason I even chimed in is because the absurdness of your reaction to Aaron's statement, which you neglected to mention.

Oh. So instead of saying that they would do their best to prevent anything horrendous from happening and reassuring the American public that the world will be safe and just, he'd rather say that we'll be facing a major international crisis once (God forbid) Obama is elected.

It's true. We need to get this straight: Do we want our officials lying, selectively lying, or just telling us the truth? I'm for truth.

This has nothing to do with anything I said, though that comes as no surprise. Me: "Obama is painted as somebody who will fight for the little guy... ...John McCain is more moderate than Obama... yet McCain is painted out to be Bush III... ....country believes that he's the moderate and unifying figure in this election..." What are you trying to say exactly? That Obama will fight for the little guy? Helping the middle class =moderate in the political spectrum? Are you really THAT clueless? Actually, don't answer that.

When on earth did I ever say Obama was a moderate? And what's wrong with fighting for the little guy? And why can't Obama be a unifying figure? Just because you don't like him?

You can amend it, sure. To say it has deep flaws and fundamental problems is absurd and frightening. You want something about working away from the constitution and liberal SC judges not agreeing with him? OK, you got it.

As far as I know Obama isn't for tearing up the Constitution and starting over - and to say something has fundamental problems (especially when it's really fucking old) doesn't mean you disagree with it. I'm for what NCLB and Title IX stand for - but they have fundamental problems.

Obama said he was "not optimistic about bringing major redistributive change through the courts." ... In discussion of the high court's liberal heyday under Chief Justice Earl Warren, for example, he said, "The court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and more basic issues of political and economic justice in the society..."

So in it's liberal heyday of the courts, it wasn't far enough for Obama. He'd like to delve into this area someday, but he's (mercifully) not optimistic about it.

Good point - I'd agree it's not the judicial system's responsibility.

No, it makes me angry that people think that the democratic candidate is the one that people think will lower taxes. It makes me angry that people think that he can do all this spending and not raise taxes. Fools. Again, you say nothing. I understand that you can vote again in four years.

How am I saying nothing? All I was saying is that I can get behind Obama's platform - as I currently reside in the Middle Class, and he's promising the most for me. And if he's a bad President we can vote for someone else. I'm not a Democrat - I've voted Republican - I am a Liberal-Leaning Independant.

Nice crazy nonsense? Do some homework.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... Kenya.html

And no, that's not the same brother as the one that's a militant Muslim. Also on the family note, how is Obama completely clueless to something like this? http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/01 ... ly-boston/

It's all nonsense because it has absolutely jack shit to do with Barack Obama as President of the United States.

I haven't bought into fear. He's put these people in his corner of the ring and it doesn't raise an eyebrow? OK. What if McCain wrote a positive blurb for and worked with somebody with the KKK? Would that go over well with you? That wouldn't raise an eyebrow? You wouldn't bat an eyelash? OK.

Your 2008 Republican Party everyone! Well, we sure aren't winning this one on the issues, so let's make Barack Obama into a bad person! He's too smart! He once sat on a board with a bad person! His pastor is crazy! Because his pastor and a guy he sat on an education board started by one of Reagan's advisors have nefarious backgrounds, he's a terrorist! Whoops, did I say terrorist, I meant, um...nefarious! He's a socialist! No wait, he's not a socialist but he's pretty damn close, even though I'm proud of my state's own almost socialist values! His wife hates America! He's a celebrity! He's not one of us! He won't help out his brother! One of his brother's is militant! He doesn't know where his Aunt is!

Barack Obama has made a career of giving back and of public service. He has fought his entire life, sometimes in very dangerous areas, to make the lives of everyone around him better. He is a good human being. He's married to a very impressive woman, and has two beautiful children who adore him.

If you want to fight Obama on the issues - then fight him on the issues. All you guys are doing is trying to scare people about him, or saying he has no record so how can he do what he's promising, instead of telling us why the Republicans economic plan is better. McCain and the Republicans have tried to make this an election ABOUT Barack Obama, and that was a terrible gamble - because he's a good dude.

If you're a political figure and you're going to a church where a preacher is telling us GOD DAMN AMERICA, well, that should raise some eyebrows again. Wright is a psycho and Obama never should have got anywhere near him. If you disagree with your priest then yes, you should find a new church to attend. I also didn't know Palin's husband was running for anything. That's news to me.

Well it would appear, by just about everyone, that Palin's husband had no problems influencing any of her decisions in the past.

Uh, what was our country founded on? Actually, you probably don't know so I'd rather you not answer.

Sure, it was founded on Christian beliefs - but I think we've come a long way in the past 250 years.

Did I call him a socialist in this particular quote?No. Did I say you can appease the atheists and socialists in the country? Yup. Are there socialists in this country? There are atheists in this country too right? Are you saying I called Obama an atheist too in what you quoted?

Just a continuation of the theme. Socialists and atheists for Obama! Obama has some socialist beliefs! Spreading the wealth! (Sidenote - This does not mean we think he's a Socialist)

Say it or don't say it - he either is, or he isn't.

Thanks. Way to totally disregard Obama's quote and just go ahead and say something about McCain- entirely irrelevant. When you don't have a point to make, and you have nothing to say, resort to plan C- making an extremely lame joke.

I'm not disregarding Obama's quote. I think he and McCain are letting smarter people make the decisions on the economy here. Kudos to both of them.

And with that, I'm exiting this thread. This thread should have been killed weeks ago but it still churns right along, as I'm sure it will continue to as you and Bren tell me how clueless I am, etc. As for that Bren, you are the LAST person in this world I'd want political advice from. There has been no point to this thread for quite some time (if at all) and there's absolutely no point in further discussing politics. The only reason I even chimed in is because the absurdness of your reaction to Aaron's statement, which you neglected to mention.

Never said you were clueless JP. I'm seeing this election crumble your values though. I remember when we had a conversation about how you would ask people looking at a "Vote" shirt in your store questions about our government and they didn't know them. And you were right in saying that was a bad thing. And now you vehemently endorse Sarah Palin - who should be against everything you value. She mocks science. She doesn't know the job of the vice-president. She can't name a newspaper. She said she has foreign relations experience because she can see Russia from Alaska.

The biggest differences in this election, in terms of making my voting decision, has come from:
1) Obama has laid out his plans for the nation in FAR better detail than McCain - and I tend to agree with some of Obama's plans.
2) Palin is an embarassment of a VP choice. It was irresponsible and reckless.

Z don't forget the one where she couldnt name a single major case of the supreme court aside from the topic of the interview which was roe v wade. I mean I certainly cant name many but its not my job to know any. Atleast I could name Brown v Board of Ed. (and a bonus one fletcher v peck)

Also whats a joke is the fact that palin was one of the biggest supporters of the bridge to nowhere and then all of a sudden when the funding was stopped she changed her tune. She spent 25 million federal tax dollars on a highway that not a person uses leading up the bridge that doesn't exist.

Boudreau said she "tried to find someone in town who actually supported the road. So we contacted Palin's former campaign coordinator [Mike Elderling], an avid Palin supporter. But even he had a hard time not laughing." Elerding agreed that the road was a waste of tax-payer's money without the bridge.

DBacks wrote:

RedSox wrote: I disagree with Aaron and jake, but they at least understand the issues, you don't.

Is that a joke? The fact that you guys know very little about policy is no big deal, but the fact that you "THINK" you do is actually quite frightening!

Don't compare me to Aaron. If you think I'm wrong about a policy issue point it out to me. I thought you said you were going to be more involved with the discussion and back off the weak insults.

And more Palin-ism: Not even going to get into the entirety of being prank called a few days before the election, but the Canadian comedic asked Palin about the Canadian Prime Minister in the conversation. Unfortunately the name they used wasn't the Prime Minister. It was a Canadian Pop Star. Palin answered anyway. If I didn't want her to lose the election so bad, I'd wish she could hang around for entertainment purposes.

"What do they think?" she declared at one point. "Do they think the terrorists have all the sudden become the good guys and changed their minds? No, the terrorists still seek to destroy America and her allies and all that it is that we stand for: freedom, tolerance, and equality. The terrorists have not changed their minds."

Governor Palin everyone! The 5:00 pm show is nothing like the noon show, don't forget to tip your waitresses!

I have no idea how this differs from what Biden said. In fact, I'd imagine his use of the word "challenge" and her use of "destroy America" could make her words a bit more damning.

Imagine what she'd sound like if the media weren't stripping her first amendment rights!

The one positive about McCain losing is the inevitable Sarah Palin 2012 run, I'm almost excited in a sick and twisted way. By the way, if it turns out Obama is in fact the Antichrist then I told you so, if not then the previous line was a joke

Athletics wrote:

DBacks wrote:

RedSox wrote: I disagree with Aaron and jake, but they at least understand the issues, you don't.

Is that a joke? The fact that you guys know very little about policy is no big deal, but the fact that you "THINK" you do is actually quite frightening!

Don't compare me to Aaron. If you think I'm wrong about a policy issue point it out to me. I thought you said you were going to be more involved with the discussion and back off the weak insults.

Jake, I hope you were drunk when you wrote this because that's the only possible explanation for the idiocy of your comment. I disagree with you on many issues, but I respect your opinion because you have at least a basic (or better) understanding of the issues. I disagree with Aaron on many issues, but I respect his opinion because he at least has a basic (or better) understanding of the issues. Lumping the two of you together in that regard is hardly insulting. As much as Aaron and I don't get along, even I wouldn't find offense at being lumped together with him like that.
If you want to know why I think JP lacks a grasp on the issues, feel free to ask me personally, this isn't really the place for it and would create a larger argument outside of the issue at hand.

The issue at hand being that Barack Obama kicked John McCain's ass.

BTW, I'm excited about the inevitable Palin run as well... she's already painting herself as the saint on the McCain/Palin ticket... she'll end up with numbers in the area of Ralph Nader circa 2000.

RedSox wrote:

Athletics wrote:

DBacks wrote: Is that a joke? The fact that you guys know very little about policy is no big deal, but the fact that you "THINK" you do is actually quite frightening!

Don't compare me to Aaron. If you think I'm wrong about a policy issue point it out to me. I thought you said you were going to be more involved with the discussion and back off the weak insults.

Jake, I hope you were drunk when you wrote this because that's the only possible explanation for the idiocy of your comment. I disagree with you on many issues, but I respect your opinion because you have at least a basic (or better) understanding of the issues. I disagree with Aaron on many issues, but I respect his opinion because he at least has a basic (or better) understanding of the issues. Lumping the two of you together in that regard is hardly insulting. As much as Aaron and I don't get along, even I wouldn't find offense at being lumped together with him like that.
If you want to know why I think JP lacks a grasp on the issues, feel free to ask me personally, this isn't really the place for it and would create a larger argument outside of the issue at hand.

The issue at hand being that Barack Obama kicked John McCain's ass.

BTW, I'm excited about the inevitable Palin run as well... she's already painting herself as the saint on the McCain/Palin ticket... she'll end up with numbers in the area of Ralph Nader circa 2000.

As always bren, go fuck yourself.

Pirates wrote:

RedSox wrote:

Athletics wrote: Don't compare me to Aaron. If you think I'm wrong about a policy issue point it out to me. I thought you said you were going to be more involved with the discussion and back off the weak insults.

Jake, I hope you were drunk when you wrote this because that's the only possible explanation for the idiocy of your comment. I disagree with you on many issues, but I respect your opinion because you have at least a basic (or better) understanding of the issues. I disagree with Aaron on many issues, but I respect his opinion because he at least has a basic (or better) understanding of the issues. Lumping the two of you together in that regard is hardly insulting. As much as Aaron and I don't get along, even I wouldn't find offense at being lumped together with him like that.
If you want to know why I think JP lacks a grasp on the issues, feel free to ask me personally, this isn't really the place for it and would create a larger argument outside of the issue at hand.

The issue at hand being that Barack Obama kicked John McCain's ass.

BTW, I'm excited about the inevitable Palin run as well... she's already painting herself as the saint on the McCain/Palin ticket... she'll end up with numbers in the area of Ralph Nader circa 2000.

As always bren, go fuck yourself.

"Say hi to your mom for me" -Mark Wahlberg

And with that, I'm exiting this thread.

JP is the Brett Favre of this thread.

If you think that Bren was insulting Jake or Aaron - he wasn't. So you're wrong...

If you think Palin isn't going to get smacked in the mouth if she tries to run in 2012, then please continue, I would love to see anyone make an argument FOR Palin.

I've been tough on Palin - no question. Maybe unnecessarily rough at times. She is a very good Governor of Alaska. Outside of her flip-flopping on the 'Bridge to Nowhere,' and some morality challenges, she has definitely been a successful Governor - by many accounts.

Unfortunately she was a reckless choice for Vice-President. She is in no way qualified to be Vice-President of the United States. What she lacks in experience, she piles on with a lack of smarts.

Eight abysmal years of George Bush should have taught us one thing: Voting for someone because they seem like they would be fun to have a beer with is a recipe for disaster.

90% of America shifted Democratic (http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/resul ... t/map.html). Even in many states that he lost, much of the state became more Democratic. In 2012 Palin may once again bring the Conservative base out in force, but she is not a unifying force - and if she opposes Obama, she's going to get her ass kicked.

Royals wrote:

And with that, I'm exiting this thread.

JP is the Brett Favre of this thread.

Oh come on, it's not like JP tried to force the Republicans to trade him to Obama. He got baited by someone who is very good at pissing people off when he wants to. And after re-reading the neo-con party line rumor moungering sound-bite drivel he was espousing, I simply couldn't help myself.

RedSox wrote:

Athletics wrote:

DBacks wrote: Is that a joke? The fact that you guys know very little about policy is no big deal, but the fact that you "THINK" you do is actually quite frightening!

Don't compare me to Aaron. If you think I'm wrong about a policy issue point it out to me. I thought you said you were going to be more involved with the discussion and back off the weak insults.

Jake, I hope you were drunk when you wrote this because that's the only possible explanation for the idiocy of your comment. I disagree with you on many issues, but I respect your opinion because you have at least a basic (or better) understanding of the issues. I disagree with Aaron on many issues, but I respect his opinion because he at least has a basic (or better) understanding of the issues. Lumping the two of you together in that regard is hardly insulting. As much as Aaron and I don't get along, even I wouldn't find offense at being lumped together with him like that.
If you want to know why I think JP lacks a grasp on the issues, feel free to ask me personally, this isn't really the place for it and would create a larger argument outside of the issue at hand.

The issue at hand being that Barack Obama kicked John McCain's ass.

BTW, I'm excited about the inevitable Palin run as well... she's already painting herself as the saint on the McCain/Palin ticket... she'll end up with numbers in the area of Ralph Nader circa 2000.

What I was trying to say is that Aaron and I represent different wings of the Republican Party, and I probably disagree with Aaron on as many things as I agree with him. It speaks to a profound ignorance that a lot of people have about what being a Republican means to lump Aaron and I into the same category politically.

People can sit along all areas of the political spectrum and still have an understanding of the issues - it's just their take on them differs. My guess is that Bren is far more liberal then I am, and I don't necessarily agree with his take on some issues. Bren was lumping you two together because, whether you like it or not, you were both playing for the same team. His take, and Bren, please tell me if I'm incorrect, wasn't lumping you two together ideologically (sp?) - he was lumping you two together as "Guys who understand policy and are just voting for the other guy."

It's kind of hard out hear for a Bren - he can't even dole out compliments without getting his ass kicked.

Finally, I was talking to one of my friends who worked for the RNC until they got bitch-slapped in 2006. He said that they should have campaigned on the Thorny slogan: "You can't lump us in with that martian." Gave me a solid couple minutes of laughter.

Athletics wrote:

DBacks wrote:

RedSox wrote: I disagree with Aaron and jake, but they at least understand the issues, you don't.

Is that a joke? The fact that you guys know very little about policy is no big deal, but the fact that you "THINK" you do is actually quite frightening!

Don't compare me to Aaron. If you think I'm wrong about a policy issue point it out to me. I thought you said you were going to be more involved with the discussion and back off the weak insults.

Once again Zalaski isn't paying attention. I was responding to Jag (maybe equate would have been a better word than compare, oh well), Bren was defending his good buddy Aaron, which is fair, that post was misinterpretable, and now I'm insulting Bren? You sure aren't inspiring a ton of confidence in your ability to make an informed opinion if you can't even follow the discussion in your own thread...