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WhiteSox wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 12:04 pm Hello everyone, not the smartest guy in the IBC, though I am a professor at a Sun Belt school and know how to think for myself. Also taught government for over a decade.

Vote for who you want, for whatever reason you want. That is your right.

Just don't be an insufferable douchebag to people you've known for over 20 years

Aww man. How disappointing. I saw a new post and I thought maybe someone actually decided to try to make a reasoned argument defending some of the Trump policies and executive actions I've been criticizing (as opposed to calling me a douchebag or just complaining that they don't like what I'm talking about) but alas, more complaining. More nothing. Seriously, if you are so offended by this discussion, DON'T READ or respond to this thread anymore.

Once again, still looking for someone to capably defend the above described presidential actions. Doesn't seem like there's much of a defense for any of it, frankly. No Trump voters seem to want to put on the big boy pants and own the Orange Emperor's latest moves.

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Hey Dave, thank you for responding. How is your day?
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Very well, thank you.

I hope your day is going well, too.
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It is going well! Is your cell phone number the same as it has always been? I sent you a text earlier but it has been some time since we communicated that way
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Its not.

I recently am going through a divorce. She left me for some arrogant politician lawyer from CT who can’t stop fingering his own butthole.

I’ll text you in a bit.
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BlueJays wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:02 pm Its not.

I recently am going through a divorce. She left me for some arrogant politician lawyer from CT who can’t stop fingering his own butthole.

I’ll text you in a bit.
I'm not appointed, or a politician. Just a humble career public servant who would never go near his own butthole for fear of encountering a dingleberry.

Since I'm happily married, it must be some other butthole-touching lawyer from CT banging your ex-wife. Sorry about that.

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There's no way you're happily married with the train that goes through your house every night.

Unless you're into that. To each his own.
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Number of actual reasoned evidence-based arguments why Mr. Trump's actions described at the top are beneficial to the US so far: 0

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BlueJays wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:32 pm There's no way you're happily married with the train that goes through your house every night.

Unless you're into that. To each his own.
Oh man, is that a gay joke? Are you trying to say I'm a homo, Dave? Hahah. Awesome.

Ok, dude thanks for hanging out. I wish you the best.

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Number of men that Dan watches from his bedroom corner chair while they take care of the "plumbing": 12
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Seriously, you're profile says you are 37 years old man. Calling someone a faggot in the schoolyard should be behind you at this point. Especially when trying to defend your political perspective, unless that's your perspective. Which it seems to be.

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Dave. More gay jokes please. And maybe a few about poop and titties and other shit you fucking comedian. I bet you hammer Monster energy drink most days before hopping in your orange jeep wrangler with kid rock pumped up to the fuckin' max bro. Hell yeah. Woooohoooo! You would never fuck dudes, bro, you have a goddamn t-shirt with a red white and blue eagle holding an m-16 in it's beak. You are so not gay.

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Both times not gay jokes.

But one was a cuck joke, which I see you’re a bit sensitive to.

The other was that you just liked fingering your butthole.

Why do you libs always go to the extreme?

Why so offended?

How much were you picked on as a kid/young adult/cuck?
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BlueJays wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:57 pm Both times not gay jokes.

But one was a cuck joke, which I see you’re a bit sensitive to.

The other was that you just liked fingering your butthole.

Why do you libs always go to the extreme?

Why so offended?

How much were you picked on as a kid/young adult/cuck?
Not offended Dave, so much as amused. But seriously, like I said. I'd like to speak to the grown-ups now so add something of value, or stop hijacking my political discussion thread with your little clown show. It was only amusing for like, a second then it went back to being in the way of a conversation with serious people.

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Number of actual reasoned evidence-based arguments why Mr. Trump's actions described at the top are beneficial to the US so far: 0

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Ugh. The MAGA internet trolls are everywhere. Even here.

Annoying as fuck that you can't have a civil, reasoned discussion about the state of the world today almost anywhere online without them fucking it up.

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BlueJays wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:57 pm How much were you picked on as a kid/young adult/cuck?
Not much. If you're big and loud like I am, people only try to fuck with you on the internet.

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Orioles wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 5:22 pm
BlueJays wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:57 pm How much were you picked on as a kid/young adult/cuck?
Not much. If you're big and loud like I am, people only try to fuck with you on the internet.
Bro, your best years were way behind you 🤣 easy or your high blood pressure will cause a stroke. You look like you’d be winded just getting out of your car.

Why the violence automatically? I don’t understand why you felt to put your stats out there, like I care.
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Poor showing by the IBC Trump contingent if Dave's childish trolling is your final answer.

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Guys, I know you want me to shut up about this, so I will, but I’d like to clarify exactly what I was trying to get at with asking people to defend Mr. Trump’s actions. I’m sorry in advance if you feel insulted by my point of view, but I truly feel you have either been tricked by Fox News and GOP politicians or are willfully ignorant to certain facts if you continue to support Trump. This is the last I’ll say about it (unless someone wants to talk here or take it offline onto PM, which is fine).

The 2026 elections will be as important a test of the American experiment as was 2024. We will learn if accountability is still a feature of our representative democracy, or if standing behind Trump this far required such a heavy commitment to willful ignorance that enough votes are already spoken for despite objectively negative outcomes from his recent insane policy decisions. That’s my opinion.

However, we already know a segment of the population is willing to knowlingly ignore Trump’s most egregious acts, ALL of them supported by at least enough actual evidence for a federal indictment, and in some cases a slam-dunk conviction, including:
  • his recorded phone call with Brad Raffensperger asking for EXACTLY one more vote than he needed to win Georgia,
  • his support for fake elector schemes to subvert the outcome of the 2020 election
  • his deliberate propagation of lies about the 2020 election, resulting in a coup attempt on the U.S. Capitol by supporters prepared to interrupt a Congress in session bearing weapons, bear spray and tasers, and wearing riot gear. They erected a gallows for VP Mike Pence.
  • his abject failure to act in accordance with his duties as President for 3 hours as he watched the January 6th riot on TV with the rest of the country.
  • his openly pro-White (aka racist) rhetoric and pursuit of a White supremacist agenda (he is a superhero to these groups, whose activity and membership have exploded since his arrival on the political scene). You can’t repeatedly say “Immigrants are poisoning the blood of our nation” on camera at large gatherings - knowing EXACTLY who that sounds like from the last century - and claim you are not a racist. Sorry.
  • his absolute refusal to tell the truth or to comply with the government upon the discovery that he had improperly taken hundreds of classified documents home to Mar-a-Lago following his presidency (and the audio recordings of him showing some of them to guests with zero clearance to impress them).
  • the finding by a jury of his peers that he sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll. There is no reason, other than the words of Trump, to believe our justice system has ceased to operate fairly (especially where White male billionaires are concerned).
  • his climate denial and total refusal to address the issue in any serious way - instead dismantling everything built to date to address this real life scientifically proven and self-evident problem.
  • his persistent, objective, provably inaccurate and extreme hyperbole (aka lying), including frequently inventing outrageous numbers out of thin air and refuting any single thing that reflects negatively on him personally regardless of its veracity.
  • the clear major conflict of interest presented by his crypto coin, which can be anonymously purchased at any scale (including by foreign governments), not to mention the other items he sells to gain financially from his role as POTUS (shoes, Bibles, watches, coins, etc.).
  • his clear admiration for and friendship with authoritarian leaders around the globe (like Duterte, Erdogan, Orban, Putin, Un).
  • the urgent alarm raised by many of his former advisors and members of his first administration who were fired or resigned. They just can't ALL be lying. Not such an unprecedented number of respected individuals, including staunch lifelong Republicans or non-partisan military that HE appointed (like Christopher Wray, Jim Mattis, Mark Milley, Mark Esper, John Bolton, John Kelly among many many others). It's insane to ignore this.

    My question to those supporting him is: As an American or even as a Christian (if you are one), how can you stomach this, and believe that this person should be President of the United States and be given more power than any President ever?

    If you disagree and would like to say so, please offer some real evidence other than the words of Donald J. Trump (or the subsequent repetition of those words by his followers) when refuting any of what seem to me like nearly irrefutable points of fact supported by real evidence, not opinion. The above are objective truths. The evidence is readily available. You have seen much of it (I hope - though you never know with Fox News).

    Anyway, appreciate you for reading if you are still there. I’ll shut up now unless anyone feels like answering seriously, which I doubt will happen. Again, feel free to PM if you'd be interested in a civil conversation off the board.
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Bro, go touch some snow today, get some oxygen.
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Like, serious responses only please. By thinking people who are interested in discussing the state of affairs in their country. No trolling.

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Guys, I know you want me to shut up about this, so I will, but I’d like to clarify exactly what I was trying to get at with asking people to defend Mr. Trump’s actions. I’m sorry in advance if you feel insulted by my point of view, but I truly feel you have either been tricked by Fox News and GOP politicians or are willfully ignorant to certain facts if you continue to support Trump. This is the last I’ll say about it (unless someone wants to talk here or take it offline onto PM, which is fine).

The 2026 elections will be as important a test of the American experiment as was 2024. We will learn if accountability is still a feature of our representative democracy, or if standing behind Trump this far required such a heavy commitment to willful ignorance that enough votes are already spoken for despite objectively negative outcomes from his recent insane policy decisions. That’s my opinion.

However, we already know a segment of the population is willing to knowlingly ignore Trump’s most egregious acts, ALL of them supported by at least enough actual evidence for a federal indictment, and in some cases a slam-dunk conviction, including:
  • his recorded phone call with Brad Raffensperger asking for EXACTLY one more vote than he needed to win Georgia,
  • his support for fake elector schemes to subvert the outcome of the 2020 election
  • his deliberate propagation of lies about the 2020 election, resulting in a coup attempt on the U.S. Capitol by supporters prepared to interrupt a Congress in session bearing weapons, bear spray and tasers, and wearing riot gear. They erected a gallows for VP Mike Pence.
  • his abject failure to act in accordance with his duties as President for 3 hours as he watched the January 6th riot on TV with the rest of the country.
  • his openly pro-White (aka racist) rhetoric and pursuit of a White supremacist agenda (he is a superhero to these groups, whose activity and membership have exploded since his arrival on the political scene). You can’t repeatedly say “Immigrants are poisoning the blood of our nation” on camera at large gatherings - knowing EXACTLY who that sounds like from the last century - and claim you are not a racist. Sorry.
  • his absolute refusal to tell the truth or to comply with the government upon the discovery that he had improperly taken hundreds of classified documents home to Mar-a-Lago following his presidency (and the audio recordings of him showing some of them to guests with zero clearance to impress them).
  • the finding by a jury of his peers that he sexually assaulted E. Jean Carroll. There is no reason, other than the words of Trump, to believe our justice system has ceased to operate fairly (especially where White male billionaires are concerned).
  • his climate denial and total refusal to address the issue in any serious way - instead dismantling everything built to date to address this real life scientifically proven and self-evident problem.
  • his persistent, objective, provably inaccurate and extreme hyperbole (aka lying), including frequently inventing outrageous numbers out of thin air and refuting any single thing that reflects negatively on him personally regardless of its veracity.
  • the clear major conflict of interest presented by his crypto coin, which can be anonymously purchased at any scale (including by foreign governments), not to mention the other items he sells to gain financially from his role as POTUS (shoes, Bibles, watches, coins, etc.).
  • his clear admiration for and friendship with authoritarian leaders around the globe (like Duterte, Erdogan, Orban, Putin, Un).
  • the urgent alarm raised by many of his former advisors and members of his first administration who were fired or resigned. They just can't ALL be lying. Not such an unprecedented number of respected individuals, including staunch lifelong Republicans or non-partisan military that HE appointed (like Christopher Wray, Jim Mattis, Mark Milley, Mark Esper, John Bolton, John Kelly among many many others). It's insane to ignore this.
My question to those supporting him is: As an American or even as a Christian (if you are one), how can you stomach this, and believe that this person should be President of the United States and be given more power than any President ever?

If you disagree and would like to say so, please offer some real evidence other than the words of Donald J. Trump (or the subsequent repetition of those words by his followers) when refuting any of what seem to me like nearly irrefutable points of fact supported by real evidence, not opinion. The above are objective truths. The evidence is readily available. You have seen much of it (I hope - though you never know with Fox News).

Anyway, appreciate you for reading if you are still there. I’ll shut up now unless anyone feels like answering seriously, which I doubt will happen. Again, feel free to PM if you'd be interested in a civil conversation off the board.

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