2015 NFL Playoffs

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:47 pm

I have no idea what proof you have that other teams are doing it. You have Aaron Rodgers saying he overinflates his balls, yet he's never been caught. You have Eli legally doctoring the ball. I'm still waiting for your smoking gun here. Maybe no one else is speaking up for two reasons:

1) No one's asking them BECAUSE THE PATRIOTS WERE THE ONES WHO CHEATED. Let's remain focused on the subject at hand. Doctoring balls is a conspiracy to you because you read a WEEI article on 2 team's maybe doing it and now it's the truth...when neither has been caught, and everything one of them was said to have done to the ball was perfectly legal.
2) No one else feels the need to speak up BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T CHEAT. "Let's go to Cam Newton in Carolina. Cam?" "I don't underinflate my balls." "Thanks Cam!" That's some solid TV right there.

For the record, since I keep SportsCenter on in the background when I work and at the gym, I've seen them have 3 different QB's say what an advantage it was for the Patriots. Do they not count because they are retired? Or are you just saying 'no one else' is being talked to because that's an easy and lazy thing to say because you know you don't have to look it up?

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:50 pm

Also, I'm having a hard time wondering who's making a huge deal out of this? It's a relevant sports news story so it's being reported on. That's fair.

The Patriots cheated and got caught. That's fair.

No one's saying they shouldn't play in the Super Bowl. That's fair.

Everyone's saying they should be fined and/or lost draft picks. That's fair.

What's unjust about this?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 4:56 pm

“Every team tampers with the footballs. Ask any Qb In the league, this is ridiculous!!” - @MattLeinartQB
"NFL head coaches here at Senior Bowl seem downright offended that people think this deflation stuff is a big deal." - @KevinClarkWSJ

No. Retired QB's DON'T count because they're not actually playing in the NFL and don't know whether it's a common practice or not. Especially not the dipshit talking heads (i.e. on ESPN) whose job is to get ratings and make meaningless noise.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:00 pm

Nationals wrote:What's unjust about this?

You mean the part where they're being singled out for penalties when it's a common and accepted practice? So much so that when the Colts reportedly complained about it back in November the NFL did fuck-all about it? And guess what, the NFL wouldn't have done a damn thing this time around either except that this time a reporter got wind of it.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:02 pm

Matt Leinart isn't playing in the NFL right now. He's doing commercials about how crappy his pro career was and that he wants to go back to college. He is not playing pro football. He hasn't actually taken a snap since 2011, if I'm not mistaken. The same year as Mark Brunell, one of the ones you discredited. Good work.

Also, no one's saying it's a big deal. I'm saying it's illegal and they should be punished with fines and loss of draft picks. I don't see that as a huge deal. You?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:23 pm

You really need to work on those reading comp skills Z, you've been having issues lately. First you think I was talking about Peyday's commercials, then there's this:

Nationals wrote:I'm saying it's illegal and they should be punished with fines and loss of draft picks. I don't see that as a huge deal. You?

Really? With all the time you spend watching the Bachelorette, I would think you would understand what the phrase "singled out" means. Other teams do it, other QBs have admitted to doing it, punishing one but not others is what's known as singling them out.

Or are you just saying 'no one else' is being talked to because that's an easy and lazy thing to say because you know you don't have to look it up?

Not what I said. I said the silence from current QBs is interesting. NONE of them have spoken up one way or the other, meanwhile dipshits like Brunell (why the hell is he even on TV? You're using that idiot as a reference?) run their mouths. By the way, Leinart was with the Bills in '13 up to last cuts and played actively in '12. Get your facts straight dude.

The question isn't whether it makes a difference, that's a matter of preference from one QB to the next (Rodgers would hate it), it's whether it's a common practice in the NFL that the league and officials have given silent consent to. Crucifying one team, which is what the media is doing, for something that is a common practice is pure horsecrap. And it's not the first time it has happened.

Athletics · Post by **Athletics** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:33 pm

Padres wrote:You really need to work on those reading comp skills Z, you've been having issues lately. First you think I was talking about Peyday's commercials, then there's this:

Nationals wrote:I'm saying it's illegal and they should be punished with fines and loss of draft picks. I don't see that as a huge deal. You?

Say what...that isn't being singled out...that is being caught and fined...it is like driving down the road with a speed limit of 65 and you are going 70, a cop might not pull you over, but he can and if he does, you are still dead to rights and have to pay the fine. Same with sports, yea, you might be cheating and might not get caught, but when you do you still have to pay the piper.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:36 pm

Angels wrote:You really need to work on those reading comp skills Z, you've been having issues lately. First you think I was talking about Peyday's commercials, then there's this:

Nationals wrote:I'm saying it's illegal and they should be punished with fines and loss of draft picks. I don't see that as a huge deal. You?[/quote}

Say what...that isn't being singled out...that is being caught and fined...it is like driving down the road with a speed limit of 65 and you are going 70, a cop might not pull you over, but he can and if he does, you are still dead to rights and have to pay the fine. Same with sports, yea, you might be cheating and might not get caught, but when you do you still have to pay the piper.
Except of course, when you have another QB admitting to doing the same thing and not being fined. And the issue having been reported before by the same organization and apparently nothing was done about it. Yeah, that IS being singled out.

Oh, and Z, you keep SportsCenter on all day? Jesus, no wonder your reading comp skills are shot, your brain is turning to mush.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:42 pm

They never caught Rodgers doing anything. You can't fine someone for saying something idiotic. If they could, the NFL wouldn't be able to keep up with the fines.

This is an issue because it was reported, caught, and done nothing about. The Colts caught them (again) and forced the issue (as is being reported). The Patriots did it an AFC Championship game to get around the weather conditions by blatantly side-stepping the rules and doing it against a team that they had already been caught doing it against...who was probably on high alert. It's illegal and stupid. Solid combo.

Also, Matt Leinart partied his way out of the NFL. At least Brunell could keep his shit together long enough to, I don't know, be good at football.

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 5:44 pm

Padres wrote: Crucifying one team, which is what the media is doing, for something that is a common practice is pure horsecrap. And it's not the first time it has happened.

Bren, you still have not shown anything regarding inflating/deflating footballs outside of the allowed PSI limits in the rules as a "common practice" in the NFL.

So far you have shown a link to 1 QB, Aaron Rodgers saying that the Referees deflated his footballs. The assumption here is that Rodgers was then presenting his footballs to the Referees prior to games, over inflated. Plus, you then have Rodgers in the same story recommending the league change the rule so that it will only favor his preference. Nice one there Rodgers!

I see two big issues that will be driving the NFL's decision here.

1) If the NFL has been enforcing the PSI limit prior to games, as it would appear to be the case with Rodgers, then why was it not enforced before the Pats versus Colts game and the balls inflated to the legal level when they were inspected? NFL needs to answer this question.

2) If the balls were inspected prior to the game and were at a legal PSI at that time, then when and how did they get deflated.

Question #1 is key in deciding the NFL's culpability in this case.

Question #2 is key in deciding the Pats culpability in this case.

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:51 pm

I had a student a few weeks ago that the entire staff caught in a blatant lie. When we called him out on it, he said he wasn't lying, he was improvising. Bren's entire argument the last 2 days reminds me of him and how frustrating he can be.

Bren, you're not answering the question. I know you have a vested interest in this since it is your team. That's fine. But the facts are, the Patriots got caught cheating. Not only cheating, cheating IN THE PLAYOFFS. This hasn't happened to any other team. But your team got caught. Your team has a history of breaking the rules. It is a fact that deflated footballs give quarterbacks an advantage, especially in poor weather conditions. Nobody is saying the Pats don't win that game regardless. The issue is THEY GOT CAUGHT CHEATING.

I was just having this conversation with JP. What do y'all think the appropriate punishment is? I say strip at least a 2nd rounder. Suspend Bellicheck 6-10 games next year. Not allowing him to coach will be the only way this impacts him. Fines will do nothing

Tigers · Post by **Tigers** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:59 pm

Cardinals wrote: I was just having this conversation with JP. What do y'all think the appropriate punishment is? I say strip at least a 2nd rounder. Suspend Bellicheck 6-10 games next year. Not allowing him to coach will be the only way this impacts him. Fines will do nothing

I think the severity of the punishment will come down to who the NFL can link to the actual event. IF the NFL proves that the Pats intentionally deflated the footballs AFTER they had already been inspected by the head Referee, then I think you are realistically going to be looking at something like....

Fines (which I agree with Aaron, Dorman not Rodgers) don't mean anything to these guys)

2nd or 3rd round pick forfeited

I'd be surprised if anyone got suspended, but don't disagree that it could be warranted given the history.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:05 pm

Mariners wrote:
I see two big issues that will be driving the NFL's decision here.

1) If the NFL has been enforcing the PSI limit prior to games, as it would appear to be the case with Rodgers, then why was it not enforced before the Pats versus Colts game and the balls inflated to the legal level when they were inspected? NFL needs to answer this question.

2) If the balls were inspected prior to the game and were at a legal PSI at that time, then when and how did they get deflated.

Question #1 is key in deciding the NFL's culpability in this case.

Question #2 is key in deciding the Pats culpability in this case.

Yep, pretty much this.

BlueJays · Post by **BlueJays** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 8:55 pm

I think anything less than chemical castration will be an insult to the game.

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:27 am

In the 'Hahahaha' Category:

ESPN reports that in 2011, in a radio interview, Tom Brady said that he prefers throwing deflated footballs.

Of course there's some more context to it...but who cares!

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:37 am

Now reports are the Ravens tipped off the Colts. Deflated balls didn't have any impact on the Colts game, but if they were using them during the Ravens game it very well could have played a role in the outcome

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:11 am

Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh didn't express any concern about the condition of footballs used in his team's Jan. 10 playoff loss at New England.

The Patriots are under investigation for using game balls that were inflated significantly below the NFL's requirements in the AFC Championship Game, which was played a week after the Ravens' game at Gillette Stadium. The NFL has found that 11 of Patriots' 12 game balls were underinflated, league sources told ESPN.

"We did not notice anything," Harbaugh said Wednesday. "We never had a ball that they used or anything like that on offense, so we don’t know anything about that in our game. We didn’t have a chance to handle any of their offensive footballs."

Harbaugh, who is in Arizona preparing to coach in the Pro Bowl, said the issue of the Patriots' footballs is "not really something that is in the forefront of our mind." Some people in the Ravens organization were questioned by the NFL during the league's investigation, but Harbaugh said he didn't know the details of the conversations.

On Tuesday night, CBS Sports reported that some Ravens believed kicking balls used in New England were slightly under-inflated. Harbaugh said there was a reasonable explanation for it.

"As far as the kicking balls, it was 20 degrees out, so the balls were softer," Harbaugh said. "Our guys told us during the game, and I just chalked that up to the fact that it was cold and that both teams were kicking the same kicking balls, so I didn’t think really anything of it during the game. Other than that, it’s not something we’ve really given any thought to at all."

Brewers · Post by **Brewers** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:19 am

When Gronk spike air leaves ball.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:08 pm

Cardinals wrote:I was just having this conversation with JP. What do y'all think the appropriate punishment is? I say strip at least a 2nd rounder. Suspend Bellicheck 6-10 games next year. Not allowing him to coach will be the only way this impacts him. Fines will do nothing

Aren't you supposed to be some kind of teacher? Don't you know how bad crack is for you?

Do you know what's illegal? Pass interference. Roughing the passer. Fighting on the field. Holding. Illegal shifts. 12 men on the field. All against the rules, all, by definition, cheating. The Colts, Cheaters. Seahawks, Greenbay, Dallas.. every team in the NFL... cheaters. The penalty for tampering with the football, $25k. For roughing the passer? 15 yards and about $17k as of December. That's about how serious this actually is. As a news story, what this comes down to is petty jealousy. Poor Aaron and his shitty-ass colts. It's a good thing you're a Colts fan rather than a Jets fan, because green looks terrible on you. Boo hoo hoo.

Pff... y'know what, fuck it. Your teams all suck, any one of you would cut your coaches throat in a heartbeat to have had Belichick and Brady the last 15 years, and your fellow franchise fans would cheer you on as you did it. Suck it pussies, we've got them and next Sunday the Pats are gonna step on the Seahawks throats until their eyes pop out and they shit their pants, unlike that pussy McCarthy up in Green Bay. And then next year, they'll be back to do it again while you all cry loudly and wish in silence you had that robotic mofo and his pretty boy QB wearing your uniforms the last 15 years. Suck it pussies!

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:18 pm

You still havent addressed the radio interview Brady gave saying he likes throwing deflated footballs. I mean, the Rodgers comments were like 90% of your argument. Or is it just too damaging to your case?

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:32 pm

Nationals wrote:You still havent addressed the radio interview Brady gave saying he likes throwing deflated footballs. I mean, the Rodgers comments were like 90% of your argument. Or is it just too damaging to your case?

What's to address? He said it, who gives a fuck? Oh, right, whiny, jealous haters...

Hey Aaron, want to know why it sounded like Brady was lying? I'm gonna go with... because he was. Because what he really wanted to say is that it's pathetic this is what the media is talking about 10 days before the superbowl. Puh-fucking-thetic. That it's a waste of his time to be standing there talking about football air pressure... Football Air Pressure! Getting the same stupid question asked over and over again having too put on that smile and pretend it isn't a gigantic waste of time and so fucking petty it's absurd. If I'm him, I'm standing there thinking "Why the hell am I talking to you fat schlubs when I could be at home watching my smoking hot wife take her clothes off and then nailing her in every room of the house for the umpteen billionth time?"

Now BOW motherfuckers!

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:43 pm

Then why did you care so much that Rodgers said it?

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:51 pm

On a related note, the Giants have more Super Bowl wins in my lifetime than the Patriots do...including more in the last 10 years with both of those coming with Eli Manning as our QB vs the Patriots. Trust me, Im more than happy with my fandom here.

Id take Coughlin and his Super Bowls and not constant cheating over Belichick any day of the week. I already have enough to apologize for being a Yankee fan.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:59 pm

Nationals wrote:and not constant cheating

Lol. And I'll be exiting this thread for good now. Good to know everybody here is incapable of rationale thought.

Royals · Post by **Royals** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:03 pm

Nationals wrote:On a related note, the Giants have more Super Bowl wins in my lifetime than the Patriots do...including more in the last 10 years with both of those coming with Eli Manning as our QB vs the Patriots. Trust me, Im more than happy with my fandom here.

Id take Coughlin and his Super Bowls and not constant cheating over Belichick any day of the week. I already have enough to apologize for being a Yankee fan.

Pff, if you're not cheating in the NFL, you're not trying, just like Eli's unhealthy relationship with his balls. (That pussy isn't even fit to hold Brady's jockstrap) WTF do you think DPI and holding are? Playing by the rules? Check the rulebook, illegal.
The NFL is Bill Belichick's world. He is the best of all time. He could take Brady, plug him into the practice squad for the Titans and finish the season with a winning record. Hate him all you want, he's gonna be around a good while longer, shitting down your teams' throats. BWA HA HA HA!