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Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:21 pm

A few GMs have expressed concerns to me over Kelly's latest round of trades, including one deal that was somehow vetoed while the other two passed (and to me, it was the least egregious of the three).

We've booted GMs for sucking before recently (Gendell, Dave Taylor come to mind), and in my opinion, we were justified doing so. Kelly is now in his fifth year, and we've given him more slack than Dave or Dan and he makes the same mistakes over and over...even while being publicly ridiculed.

I understand wanting to go for it and I for the most part encourage GMs to try to win, I mean, that's the point, right? But he could have picked up similar talent on the waiver wire for the Rendon deal. Or he could have waited more than 2 hours to deal Rendon, too. It's just frustrating because I thought he was turning a corner building talent, and then poof, Rios, Soriano, Z, Capps.

Not sure if others on ExCo feel the same way, but a couple GMs have expressed frustration to me, including Jag, who brought him into the league.

Reds · Post by **Reds** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:56 pm

What was turned down?

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:14 pm

Brian Goodwin, Erasmo Ramirez for Cory Burns, Cory Gearrin

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:51 pm

I'm conflicted. Kelly is clearly one of our weakest, if not our weakest, GM. However, he does have a window for this season, so I can't hold it against him for going for it. Making such a terrible deal in giving up Rendon is really the issue. Kelly's done nothing to distinguish himself in the 5 years he's been here, heck 1/4 of the time I still think Craig Korol is the GM there. If y'all want to get rid of him, I won't filibuster for him to stay or anything, but if we do go that route, we need to make sure we have a sure fire, good replacement lined up, cause we're out of guys to bring back

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:35 am

As I have been for years, I'm in favor of removing him. He is harmful tot he league, not just his team, and that's the overwhelming reason that I'd vote to boot someone.

Again, no issue with the guy. Just his GMing.

Dodgers · Post by **Dodgers** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:53 pm

I couldn't care less whether we keep the guy or not, which makes me think he's not a GM worth keeping, assuming we think we can bring in a stronger GM.

Reds · Post by **Reds** » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:46 pm

I wouldn't support booting him unless a proven replacement was available.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:31 pm

What's defined as a proven replacement? I don't know if, for any vacancy, that we need somebody that's proven. I'd rather have somebody with a high value acumen that hasn't been in a league before than, say, somebody who has been moderately successful in four sim leagues.

I bring this up again because he has a deal at TRC trading away AJ Cole and Anthony Meo for Scutaro and Julio Morban.

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:42 pm

Yeah, I'm willing to move on at this point. He's posted time and again about wanting SP but has no interest in Colby Lewis, yet he'll move AJ Cole for Scutaro. I don't think we need a proven replacement, we just need to do our homework. We're out of guys to bring back aside from Rich, we can find a newbie if we take the time. The one thing we shouldn't do is rush to fill the spot if we remove Kelly. I can caretake the roster if y'all want until we get a guy, cause lets face it I'm winning 50 games this year, not much work to do on taking care of my team.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:47 pm

Cardinals wrote:Yeah, I'm willing to move on at this point. He's posted time and again about wanting SP but has no interest in Colby Lewis, yet he'll move AJ Cole for Scutaro. I don't think we need a proven replacement, we just need to do our homework. We're out of guys to bring back aside from Rich, we can find a newbie if we take the time. The one thing we shouldn't do is rush to fill the spot if we remove Kelly. I can caretake the roster if y'all want until we get a guy, cause lets face it I'm winning 50 games this year, not much work to do on taking care of my team.

No to sound like a grouch, but it feels like each person on exco has to have this sort of personal "wtf?" moment with this guy before everyone wakes up. I guess we'll see how long that takes. Kelly has arguably the worst track record of anyone who's been in the league over the past few years, including the couple of guys we've booted.

Reds · Post by **Reds** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:55 am

By proven I mean someone one of us knows well, ideally from involvement in another league. It would be nice to have some one lined up so we aren't running the team.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:31 pm

The hits keep coming from Kelly. He has given up his draft already (only his 4th & 5th left), and has next to nothing to show for it. Two thirds for Rolen, who is hitting .220/.283/.370 in MLB and .227/.278/.378 in IBC at age 37. By my count he has 5-6 remotely useful players left on his roster. Farm is completely drained.

You guys keep talking about who we're going to bring in, well, it's getting harder and harder to feel like we're giving that person a team they could do anything with for years and years.

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Sun Jul 29, 2012 3:51 pm

Can we freeze his roster, allow him to finish out the year with a playoffs or bust ultimatum? Let's just boot the guy. BTW has anyone seen or heard from Jim? He never did weigh in on this