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Reds wrote:There has been more rumbling on this issue and we should take a closer look at it well before the draft if a move is going to be made.
Hasn't he already traded all of his good picks anyway? He has a (low) fourth and four fifths now. I'm obviously fine with letting him know that we can't let a roster continue to go backwards like this. In terms of timeline, however, we already missed the important milestone of his picks for this draft being tradeable, and for me the next important milestone is when his picks become tradeable for the next draft, because he's traded away just about anyone with even remote potential to be a difference maker.
Reds wrote:My original thoughts about it were more based on activity than results. I would almost rather have an active member who isn't very good than one that doesn't respond or who goes missing for months at a time.
This is another place where I'm probably in the minority, but I pretty strongly disagree (as it pertains to someone with this managerial style). It's a matter of degrees. 'Isn't very good' to me suggests a little below the average standard for a given league, and I would tend to agree with that statement for someone like that.

Where I think you have to draw a very clear line on that, though, is when the person's judgment is poor enough that he contributes to upsetting the balance of the league by continuously handing over any good players he come across to the guy who hounds him the most or who is nice to him. We've clearly seen that here.

I obviously don't mean to be a jerk about Dan. Just like Dave he seems like a very nice guy and I'm sure I'd like him as a pal.
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He needs to go. Name one good move he has made since he came in the league. I bet you can't. We should've pulled the plug on him in the beginning when he dealt all of his assets within 48 hours. Like BP said, he has no picks that'll make a difference. He's had the benefit of the doubt long enough, it is time for action. I've gotten PMs from members this week asking when we were going to get rid of the guy. Everyone knows he's in over his head. Now the vultures just circle and wait. We booted Dave for being a shitty GM and he didn't do half as bad as Dan has
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I received a PM as well which is why I brought it up again. Perhaps Brett is correct and we should have addressed it before the picks were dealt, but I incorrectly assumed Dan would be looking to add picks.

Regardless of the contrary opinion a while back, I still believe that when the league has issues like this the TRC must be brought in and asked to scrutinize those deals more closely. I know that when I was on the TRC some guidance from league leadership on these types of matters wouldve been welcomed.

So if there is to be action let us come to agreement on what it needs to be, either show him the door, put restrictions on him, or ask him to explain his plan and then decide.
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While it is true that the Astros do have high picks in the 2011 draft it is a roster with loads of prospects (primarily lower level) stockpiled as I would imagine that Dan figured he would a reasonable time to assemble a roster ... I have not discussed his plan with him but I got to believe based on what I see here that is his plan. With 13 "10" players on his roster already the draft roster portion (10 of 50) is not in question as to a numerical breakdown. The question really remains to be seen whether his judgement or opinion of the talent of the young players he has gathered proves out or not - I believe that he deserves more time to have that judgement/opinion issue truly tested out.
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He's stockpiled prospects, but on the whole they're not very good prospects (and a bunch of them are basically off the street caliber in this league), particularly when you consider some of the elite ones he's thrown away for no apparent reason. As you know, I'm all for stockpiling young talent as guys like you and I have successfully done. But, Jim, we were piling up major talents. He is not.

He has picked at the top of the 2010 and 2011 drafts. He should have guys like Machado/Taillon and Bundy/Darvish/Cole/Bauer/Rendon, and instead he has Billy Hamilton and a variety of other low upside players.
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I was willing to give him time, and I can understand that argument somewhat. If you're rebuilding, then ok, you should get some time to reap the benefits of the farm system you've made. That said, he's been in the league for over a year and just doesn't seem to have learned much of anything. This trade is something that should probably never have even passed, but he made it in Oct:
DBacks trades Ross Detwiler, Al Alburquerque, to Astros for Mike 10-Olt, Reds Draft Pick 1
Olt isn't a 5 star prospect, but he certainly upped his stock a lot this year and had a monster AFL. And of course, a first round pick in this draft is particularly nice. Detwiler and Alburquerque do nothing to advance his farm system or his rebuilding effort, and he gave up two really nice pieces to have in your farm and use to build around. It's trades like this that just sort of illustrates to me that he doesn't really know what he's doing.
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Reds wrote:So if there is to be action let us come to agreement on what it needs to be, either show him the door, put restrictions on him, or ask him to explain his plan and then decide.
I agree with that. We've debated it for quite a while. I think most of us know what our opinions are, so we should go ahead and make a decision, whether it's to let him go, do nothing, or one of those other options.
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At this point, I think we should let him go. Had he not made that Olt/first rounder trade, I think I'd be fine giving him another year. That trade really just illustrates that he doesn't have a grasp on what he's doing. If we bring in somebody before the new year, we can at least allow them to make deals to try to get back into the draft a bit.
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Yeah, this guy would've been a bad GM during the first years of the IBC when we had some real stinkers. The fact he's here now with 95% of the GMs being top notch is bad news. Show him the door
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I don't know if my ear is to the ground enough to form an opinion on the guy as a day to day GM, but looking back at his transactions...he did trade for a couple of first round picks originally before flipping them. The Olt trade was a terrible one when it was made...but he hasn't done anything in 2 months, so I don't know how we can use that against him, otherwise we've failed the league by not acting quickly enough. I don't think we're going to be able to find a replacement for him with enough time for them to improve significantly before the draft.

Given our usual tough time finding good GMs, I think maybe we start putting out feelers trying to find potential guys while seeing if Dan does anything to sway our decision. I don't think booting him just to bring in another mediocre GM is the answer, I'd rather give him a chance now with the option to chop him later if someone great comes along as an option.
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Pat G has been talking about wanting to come back. He doesn't work for a newspaper anymore and his baby is a couple years old, so he should have more time now
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JP brought that up to me on IM, I think that makes me more favorable on moving on from Dan, but would we just hand Pat the team as is?
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