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Rockies · Post by **Rockies** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:39 pm

The DH is an abomination to the game and thats the bottom line. End or story. No ifs, ands, or buts. I won't hear anything to the contrary. If you think the DH is a good idea, you must believe its a good idea to have a DR(Designated Runner) because who wants to see some of these slow plodders try and clog the bases. How about Designated Infielders? There's some absolute butchers in the field.. Why make them do something they might not be good at.

Pitchers might not be great at hitting, but baseball is a perfect game in all its intricacies and imperfections. Including the #9 spot where the pitcher hits. The DH takes away from that. Lets just dumb it down and water it down as much as possible! Take away the things that make the game of rounders so god damned glorious. Lets specialize EVERY damned position on the diamond and make in game decisions virtually nonexistent for Managers. Lets not have to "think" or "strategize" in this game at all, what fucking fun is that?

The NL is like Chess. The AL is like fucking Candy Land.

BlueJays · Post by **BlueJays** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 6:47 pm

11v11 football with a substitution rule like baseball would be pretty fun to watch, I think.

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:14 pm

Rockies wrote:The DH is an abomination to the game and thats the bottom line. End or story. No ifs, ands, or buts. I won't hear anything to the contrary. If you think the DH is a good idea, you must believe its a good idea to have a DR(Designated Runner) because who wants to see some of these slow plodders try and clog the bases. How about Designated Infielders? There's some absolute butchers in the field.. Why make them do something they might not be good at.

Yeah! And anyone who is ok with disallowing players to be pegged with the between bases for an out or intentionally sticking both of your cleats into the middle of the leg of anyone you choose is a fucking moron! The game was perfect the way it began and these Marys dumbing it down to make it more "attractive to watch" ruined it forever.

Also, to paraphrase the Harvard President, this new trickery of trying to spin balls to deceive hitters is below the high standards of this perfect game that Abner Doubleday created all by his lonesome after winning the Civil War.

Oh and while I'm at it, the idiots who allowed a) passing BEYOND the original line of scrimmage and then b) running with ball in your HAND for as long as you can afterward brought about the greatest outrage in US sport history!

These sports were perfect near the time of their original codification!

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:19 pm

On a more serious note, I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other about the DH, some positives and some negatives each way. But the notion that managing a baseball game without a DH is much more complicated is a joke, honestly. The list the names of some NL managers who have had success disproves that one pretty easily. They're some of the dumber people on the planet. You just like it better and that's definitely fair.

BlueJays · Post by **BlueJays** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:47 pm

Rangers wrote:On a more serious note, I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other about the DH, some positives and some negatives each way. But the notion that managing a baseball game without a DH is much more complicated is a joke, honestly. The list the names of some NL managers who have had success disproves that one pretty easily. They're some of the dumber people on the planet. You just like it better and that's definitely fair.

Don't think I'd call Bruce Bochy an idiot.

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:59 pm

But Dusty Baker on the other hand...

Nationals · Post by **Nationals** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:42 pm

Giants wrote:But Dusty Baker on the other hand...

Using Dusty Baker as a counterpoint to arguments for managerial intelligence is like using Hitler as a counterpoint to arguments that mustaches are sexy. Instant win.

Athletics · Post by **Athletics** » Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:48 pm

Giants wrote:But Dusty Baker on the other hand...

Dusty can be an idiot...but some of that is old school allegiance rather than poor instinct...which gets a lot of coaches in trouble...listening to the star player versus going with the gut. If a coach goes out to check and doesn't pull that I fault on the allegiance versus never going out at all or until it is too late.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:12 am

Orioles wrote:
Rangers wrote:On a more serious note, I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other about the DH, some positives and some negatives each way. But the notion that managing a baseball game without a DH is much more complicated is a joke, honestly. The list the names of some NL managers who have had success disproves that one pretty easily. They're some of the dumber people on the planet. You just like it better and that's definitely fair.
Don't think I'd call Bruce Bochy an idiot.

Matheny's first years as manager:

NLCS Game 7
WS Game 6
NLCS Game 5

And he's a fucking moron.

Guardians · Post by **Guardians** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:17 am

Pirates wrote:
Orioles wrote:
Rangers wrote:On a more serious note, I don't have a strong feeling one way or the other about the DH, some positives and some negatives each way. But the notion that managing a baseball game without a DH is much more complicated is a joke, honestly. The list the names of some NL managers who have had success disproves that one pretty easily. They're some of the dumber people on the planet. You just like it better and that's definitely fair.
Don't think I'd call Bruce Bochy an idiot.
Matheny's first years as manager:

NLCS Game 7
WS Game 6
NLCS Game 5

And he's a fucking moron.

Yeah, because you and Sander don't bitch every night about some dumb move Matheny has made. Tell me what genius moves he's made that has led to them winning aside from your GM putting together very good teams?

BlueJays · Post by **BlueJays** » Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:44 am

Tigers wrote:
Pirates wrote:
Orioles wrote: Don't think I'd call Bruce Bochy an idiot.
Matheny's first years as manager:

NLCS Game 7
WS Game 6
NLCS Game 5

And he's a fucking moron.
Yeah, because you and Sander don't bitch every night about some dumb move Matheny has made. Tell me what genius moves he's made that has led to them winning aside from your GM putting together very good teams?

Bob Brenly once won a World Series and I have a house plant that has a higher IQ. But he also had Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling. You can still win with an idiot in charge, but you need a damn good team. Bochy continues to win in the playoffs even though his teams usually are vastly inferior to the rest of the playoffs teams. This past year he got to go up against Matheny and then Ned Yost, who are both regarded as some of the least intelligent managers in the game, and he managed circles around both.

Cardinals · Post by **Cardinals** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:32 pm

Tigers wrote:
Pirates wrote:
Orioles wrote: Don't think I'd call Bruce Bochy an idiot.
Matheny's first years as manager:

NLCS Game 7
WS Game 6
NLCS Game 5

And he's a fucking moron.
Yeah, because you and Sander don't bitch every night about some dumb move Matheny has made. Tell me what genius moves he's made that has led to them winning aside from your GM putting together very good teams?

What? I said he's a fucking moron.

Guardians · Post by **Guardians** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:39 pm

Pirates wrote:
Tigers wrote:
Pirates wrote: Matheny's first years as manager:

NLCS Game 7
WS Game 6
NLCS Game 5

And he's a fucking moron.
Yeah, because you and Sander don't bitch every night about some dumb move Matheny has made. Tell me what genius moves he's made that has led to them winning aside from your GM putting together very good teams?
What? I said he's a fucking moron.

Read to me like you were defending him, sorry. I don't know what happened in those games, so I thought you were saying he had won in the playoffs, so he was smart. My bad.

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:12 pm

We will never EVER defend Mike Matheny

Guardians · Post by **Guardians** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 10:13 pm

Cardinals wrote:We will never EVER defend Mike Matheny

Haha...that's why I thought it was bizarre...or that JP was drunk. Could have been either.

Rockies · Post by **Rockies** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:15 pm

I read it the same way initially, then I remembered who posted it. Lol

Rangers · Post by **Rangers** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:29 pm

Boy is this different since the last time I posted it.

Feb 2017

1. Alex Reyes
2. Addison Russell
3. Gleyber Torres
4. Joe Ross
5. Eloy Jimenez
6. Rougned Odor
7. Vladimir Guerrero
8. Kevin Maitan
9. Roberto Osuna
10. Luis Severino

HM: Jurickson Profar, Manuel Margot, Adrian Morejon

Only the young middle infield remains from 2015. Full reconstruction is underway.

Rangers wrote:Jan 2015

1. Yu Darvish
2. Miguel Cabrera
3. Yordano Ventura
4. Matt Wieters
5. Alex Gordon
6. Hanley Ramirez
7. Addison Russell
8. Greg Polanco
9. Rougned Odor
10. Phil Hughes

HM: Prince Fielder, James Shields

Rangers wrote:Jan 2014

Ramirez is the big riser and Bourn takes the biggest tumble in 2013. Utley departed and Gordon and Polanco have joined the club:

1. Yu Darvish
2. Miguel Cabrera
3. Hanley Ramirez
4. Jurickson Profar
5. Greg Polanco
6. James Shields
7. Prince Fielder
8. Matt Wieters
9. Alex Gordon
10. Yordano Ventura

Rangers wrote:Dec 2012

1. Miguel Cabrera
2. Prince Fielder
3. Yu Darvish
4. Jurickson Profar
5. Matt Wieters
6. James Shields
7. Michael Bourn
8. Chase Utley
9. Hanley Ramirez
10. Sergio Romo

Guardians · Post by **Guardians** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:58 pm

Thanks for bumping this, BP. Fun exercise.

2/21/12 (re-entry):

1. Matt Kemp
2. Michael Pineda
3. Jeremy Hellickson
4. Ike Davis
5. Jhoulys Chacin
6. Daniel Bard
7. Howie Kendrick
8. Neil Walker
9. Lucas Duda
10. Zach Wheeler

12/28/12:

1. Cole Hamels
2. Jordan Zimmermann
3. Adrian Beltre
4. Paul Goldschmidt
5. Yasmani Grandal
6. Ian Desmond
7. Alex Gordon
8. Jeremy Hellickson
9. Neil Walker
10. Jesse Biddle

2/1/14:

Paul Goldschmidt
Jason Heyward
Desmond Jennings
Ian Desmond
Adrian Beltre
Cole Hamels
Jon Lester
Anibal Sanchez
Mark Appel
Jorge Alfaro/Corey Seager

Hunter Harvey, Yan Gomes, Alfaro/Seager, Michael Choice, Altuve and maybe Brinson are the rest.

12/28/14:

Stanton
Goldschmidt
Lester
Cobb/Wood
Beltre
Altuve
Gomes
Seager
Appel
Pujols

Today (2/10/17):

Seager
Altuve
Goldschmidt
Freeman
Stanton
Syndergaard
Sale
Turner
Perez
Herrera/Sonny Gray (if old Sonny Gray returns)

Phillies · Post by **Phillies** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:13 pm

Phillies wrote:
Phillies wrote:
Phillies wrote:1. Austin Jackson
2. Freddie Freeman
3. Jeff Samardzija
4. Matt Harvey
5. Nolan Arenado
6. Dustin Ackley
7. Jed Lowrie
8. Chris Tillman
9. Dan Straily
10. Jordan Lyles

Danny Duffy will work his way in there when healthy. Wouldn't surprise me if Samardzija is #1 after next season.
Not surprising that I've traded 7 guys off my last list.

1. Andrew McCutchen
2. Freddie Freeman
3. Jordan Zimmermann
4. Homer Bailey
5. Jeff Samardzija
6. Yoenis Cespedes
7. Josh Donaldson
8. Jed Lowrie
9. Jayson Werth
10. Glen Perkins
Similar, more pitchers stepping up.

1. Andrew McCutchen
2. Josh Donaldson
3. Freddie Freeman
4. Jordan Zimmermann
5. Jeff Samardzija
6. Jacoby Ellsbury
7. Jayson Werth
8. Jacob deGrom
9. Homer Bailey
10. Matt Shoemaker/Chase Utley tie

I had Austin Jackson #1 lol

2017:

Josh Donaldson
Max Scherzer
Andrew McCutchen
AJ Pollock
Daniel Murphy
Jon Lester
Carlos Santana
Nelson Cruz
Adam Wainwright
Jayson Werth/Chase Utley/Jed Lowrie tie

The last three guys are wall of famers

Brewers · Post by **Brewers** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:48 pm

Brewers wrote:1. Stephan Strasburg
2. Johnny Cueto
3. Dexter Fowler
4. Wilin Rosario
5. Alcides Escobar
6. Martin Prado
7. Ross Detwiler
8. David Hernandez
9. A.J. Griffin
10. Drew Smyly

Ouch. That was the team I inherited.

1. Anthony Rendon
2. Michael Conforto
3. Johnny Cueto
4. Sean Manaea
5. Dexter Fowler
6. Matt Shoemaker
7. Tyler O'Neil
8. Zack Collins
9. Logan Forsythe
10. Kevin Newman

Yankees · Post by **Yankees** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:24 am

1/9/15

1. David Dahl
2. Michael Pineda
3. Trevor Bauer
4. Josh Harrison
5. J.D. Martinez
6. Dellin Betances
7. Steven Matz
8. Daniel Robertson
9. Kohl Stewart
10. Stephen Piscotty

2/11/17
1. Mookie Betts
2. Steven Matz
3. Starling Marte
4. Jose Quintana
5. Kyle Hendricks
6. Kevin Kiermaier
7. A.J. Reed
8. Jonathan Villar
9. Jean Segura
10. J.T. Realmuto

That old list is really ugly. All the guys on this list are real, strong MLB players who are under 27. Exciting core to move forward with...

Astros · Post by **Astros** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:26 am

Cardinals wrote:
Cardinals wrote:
Cardinals wrote:
Wainwright
Danny Espinosa
Taijuan Walker
Jacob Turner
Bubba Starling
Christian Yelich
Hak-Ju Lee
Zach Lee
Jonathan Lucroy
Fernando Salas

**I'd include Seth Smith or Colby Lewis but there's no way they're on the team by September
Oscar Taveras
Taijuan Walker
Tyler Skaggs
Christian Yelich
Jonathan Lucroy
Taylor Guererri
Jedd Gyokro
Tim Collins
Bubba Starling
Hak-Ju Lee

Oscar Taveras
Taijuan Walker
Tyler Skaggs
Christian Yelich
Jonathan Lucroy
Matt Adams
Jedd Gyokro
Trevor Rosenthal
Jacob Turner
Kevin Gausman

Nolan Arenado
Christian Yelich
Aaron Sanchez
Vince Velasquez
Aledmys Diaz
Stephen Piscotty
Clint Frazier
Taijuan Walker
Lance Lynn
Yasmany Tomas

Athletics · Post by **Athletics** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 4:15 pm

Angels wrote:
Well I think this has changed a bit.

1. Gerritt Cole
2. Dylan Bundy
3. JP Crawford
4. Jacob McGee
5. Jameson Taillon
6. Tim Anderson
7. Trevor Plouffe
8. Austin Meadows
9. Braden Shipley
10. Carson Kelly

Fuck Kaleb Cowart for advancing every tool but his hitting ability.

1 Gerritt Cole
2. Alex Bregman
3. Dylan Bundy
4. Trevor Story
5. Jameson Taillon
6. JP Crawford
7. Austin Meadows
8. Tim Anderson
9. Keon Broxton
10. Carson Kelly

Orioles · Post by **Orioles** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:38 pm

BlueJays wrote:
Marlins wrote:
Marlins wrote: Marlins (12/27/12)

1. Justin Verlander, SP
2. Troy Tulowitzki, SS
3. Ian Kinsler, 2B
4. Max Scherzer, SP
5. Wil Myers, OF
6. Carl Crawford, LF
7. Trevor Cahill, SP
8. Aramis Ramirez, 3B
9. Mark Buehrle, SP
10. Justin Morneau, 1B

Denard Span just misses.
Marlins (2/1/14)

1. Troy Tulowitzki, SS
2. Justin Verlander, SP
3. David Price, SP
4. Wil Myers, OF
5. Yasiel Puig, OF
6. Danny Salazar, SP
7. Ian Kinsler, 2B
8. Brandon Belt, 1B
9. Eddie Butler, SP
10. Jarred Cosart, SP

Cosart sneaks in at 10 over W. Flores or T. Cahill.
Marlins (1/8/15)

1. Troy Tulowitzki, SS
2. David Price, SP
3. Evan Longoria, 3B
4. Robinson Cano, 2B
5. Justin Verlander, SP
6. Wil Myers, OF
7. Brandon Belt, 1B
8. Wily Peralta, SP
9. Danny Salazar, SP
10. Alexander Reyes, SP

HM: 1B Matt Olson, SP Eddie Butler, SP Reynaldo Lopez

Blue Jays (2/11/17)

1. David Price, SP
2. Robinson Cano, 2B
3. Danny Salazar, SP
4. Felix Hernandez, SP
5. J.D. Martinez, RF
6. Troy Tulowitzki, SS
7. Brandon Belt, 1B
8. Blake Snell, SP
9. Evan Longoria, 3B
10. Reynaldo Lopez, SP

Giants · Post by **Giants** » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:01 pm

Thanks for resurrecting this. Ha Ha Ha Ha to my previous list.

1. Buster Posey
2. Corey Kluber
3. Jake Arrieta
4. Yoenis Cespedes
5. Danny Duffy
6. Michael Kopech
7. Michael Brantley (is criminally underrated)
8. Ian Desmond (ditto)
9. Sean Doolittle
10. Justus Sheffield

[though the last couple spots should be occupied by generic sim freak that always finds his way into my lineup/rotation every year]

Giants wrote:Gil Meche used to be #4 on this list. That's wild.

1. Buster Posey
2. Giancarlo "Mike" Stanton
3. Xander Bogaerts
4. JJ Hardy
5. Brandon McCarthy
6. Kung Fu Panda
7. Corey Kluber (Corey Kluber Admiration Society Chapter 44 here)
8. Jackie Bradley Jr.
9. Adam Dunn
10. The 1/2 punch of Sean Doolittle and Ryan Cook

Athletics wrote:
Athletics wrote: On the bandwagon that was an ugly list, not sure this one is much better

1. Mike Stanton
2. Buster Posey
3. Shaun Marcum
4. Brandon McCarthy
5. JJ Hardy
6. Xander Bogaerts
7. Huston Street
8. Alejandro de Aza (i buy the breakout)
9. Liam Hendriks
10. Jason Giambi (fan pick, really hurts that Dunn isn't in the top 5)
Doing this again

1. Buster Posey
2. Buster Posey
3. Buster Posey

OK serious list

1. Buster Posey
2. Giancarlo "Mike" Stanton - he'll always be Mike to me
3. Brandon McCarthy
4. Xander Bogaerts
5. JJ Hardy
6. Ryan Vogelsong
7. Shaun Marcum
8. Jackie Bradley
9. Kyle Crick
10. Johan Santana/Adam Dunn